Ultimate shoulder rides

m2ichaela:       

I think I would  find it rather  difficult to direct someone's face with my feet while  sitting on his back.  I have  sat with my knees  over his shoulders with his head between my  knees but I could  just direct him verbally.

However, I'm really curious  about  what other people  have  experienced either as a rider or a carrier in the all fours riding  situation. Sitting astride or sidesaddle, was it a game , a  desire, a lost wager etc.

m2ichaela:

I occasionally rode on my ex  in public setting, to sort of show off to some of my friends as I  gained more control of him.                               However when I began to  enjoy  it beyond showing off I would  often  coerce him into being "my little pony" at  home   for my own entertainment.   He submitted to this because it was easier than  upsetting me. Keeping him off balance  was  fairly easy.                     

Since he was almost twice my size, I wasn't  a great burden  when I sat on his back that way.       

I reserved  using restraints for our more intimate moments simply because  I didn't  like letting him have the option of  touching my body when I didn't want him to   or  lifting me off  when I was on top of him.  I really didn't think about or  care if having his head between my knees  while  I sat on his back was  uncomfortable for  him.
I don't ask  a  real horse, or a chair for that matter, if it likes the way I sit on it.

Yes! i made some front arm extensions, so my back [and front] legs could be straight, to give a high riding position, and to get the knees off the ground, and to take away the childish aspect! The front 'legs' have black fur covers & hooves and are articulated by internal hidden handles.
  As for all4s seat\ sitting, this is a static human structure, for a sitter, and more of a comforting/ enveloping satisfaction for the seat, and a chivalrous convenience for the sitter

@MissBaron, I have been ridden on all
Fours and she was about your weight +/- a few pounds. She rode sitting on my back and her feet in stirrups hanging along my sides. She used a bit to guide, stop or have me backup. She sounds like you to some degree because she listened to a podcast during the ride and answered a phone call. To me, it felt like she had completely forgot she was sitting on me. She would adjust herself on my back, sit higher on my back while having me just stopped and bearing her weight and over hearing her conversation. This made me literally feel like a horse and I was just a tool or form of entertainment at that point in time.

@ MissBaron,

I again agree that if the carrier or mount isn’t sacrificing something (energy, discomfort own wants/needs) then this isn’t benefiting the rider or their time.

Let me pose a question to you this way. If you and a few friends were going on a horseback ride somewhere (beach, Grand Canyon or anywhere really) would you (as the rider) ask the horse rental place before riding your rental horse if someone might have ridden him that day or all day the day before? Why?

Would you be concerned with the horse’s comfort level during your ride on him?

Is it possible to exhaust a horse with you as his rider?

What tack would you think would be acceptable to use and wear in a setting like this? Why?

Last edited by JayRey8585 (2025-04-10 18:37:02)

MissBaron:

Yes, I’m talking about a real horse for now. I’ll tie in a human horse/carrier in a bit. Just getting your basic thoughts on a bio horse for now.

When you say you would expect to receive whatever services you paid for, what are you specifically expecting?

If the horse you rented became tired sooner than you would have expected, how would you handle him or what things would you do as his paying rider?

What things did you do to ride your horse rented or your own to exhaustion? How did you know he was exhausted? Did you feel bad afterwards?

When you say a firmer halter and bit, what does that consist of? Are you active with your spurs and crop typically during a ride?

@MissBaron,

How have you ridden a horse to exhaustion? How do you know when the horse you’re riding is getting tired versus exhausted? What things do they do to demonstrate this?

When he is tired or exhausted, if you stop him and just sit on him and it causes him discomfort and you can tell his back needs a break, would you have any problem staying seated on him and the saddle? Would you feel bad for doing so and why?

MissBaron:

I was under the impression that when a horse has foam in and around his mouth, it was from the bit and the rider working the reins/bit excessively over their ride.?

When a horse is exhausted, or well on his way of getting exhausted, do you feel your spurs come in handy then?

If your riding and decided at push a horse to or past exhaustion, as a rider how do you do that?

Do you feel bad for the horse you’re riding at any point?

If a walking pace for a horse is a 15 minute mile, over a couple hour ride with you on him, how many miles would you have ridden him with the various paces you ride him at?

Last edited by JayRey8585 (2025-04-13 18:37:07)

MissBaron;

The question asking how many miles you would like to ride a horse over a couple hour ride if the average walking mile was 15-17 minutes at a walking pace, and the trail was mostly flat with just a few hills in a state park type place with just a few hills, lots of trees and maybe a lake to view.

Now that a baseline was kinda put in place on how you would handle a horse, your expectations of him and wanting to have the ride you want at the pace you want whether you paid for it or owned him.

I want to ask the same thing as I did with the horse only now you are “renting” a human horse/carrier.

• Would you be concerned with if your carrier had been ridden the day you and others were going to go for ride? Or would you be concerned and want to know if he was ridden hard the day before?

• Would you be concerned with your carriers comfort level while riding on him during with others?

• Could you ride a carrier to exhaustion?

• What tack would you consider using on your human carrier that would benefit you on a planned and maybe paid ride for a certain period of time?

@MissBaron;

That quite interesting. Wonder if violent crime would go down if death row inmates and/or men serving life sentences would be forced into being a human horse/carrier at a trail ride facility?! I mean, if you killed the carrier by riding him to hard or spurred to much causing cuts or bruises who cares?! Saving the taxpayers money and that was going to be their end result anyway.

Now if there was such a place where you could go and rent a carrier (that was an inmate) what would you use on him and how would you be? Would he get pissed or frustrated when he got tired and not want to obey your commands? Hmm. I mean after all, in this case, he would find himself in this position because he obviously committed a crime and received a life-sentence or is on death row.

@MissBaron,

I think we are onto something here! I could imagine using such prisoners as human horses at a trail ride facility that’s OWNED & OPERATED by a non-profit organization that benefits victims of violent crimes.

And for the record, I completely agree and am against slavery, owning and selling another human in any way.

• Ok, let’s play around with the above idea! How many prisoners should be available at the stable to be rented on any particular day? Weekends need more?

• What would be your thought process on picking the prisoner (human horse) you wanted to ride that day?

• How long would you rent him for?

Last edited by JayRey8585 (2025-04-15 16:18:48)

@MissBaron;

That’s awesome and a great idea on how you would choose which one gets your weight.

Give me a glimpse of how the four hours might look riding on such a terrible human being of a horse?!?! Can’t wait!

@MissBaron;

A guard good be the tour guide and one to make sure the trail ride for all that rented these animals was going to their satisfaction.

Since you have ridden a carrier, over four hours how long do you think you could ride a prisoner/human horse/carrier before giving him a break? Hypothetically speaking since not physically riding one.

How long in your opinion would you like his break to be? Are you sitting on him at any point during the break?

I think we are on to something, but the whole human rights thing wouldn’t agree.

You mentioned that the prisoner should be restrained so he won't be able to throw the rider off his shoulders.
I suggest to cuff his wrists in front of him as the rider put her feet on his cuffed hands 
Any move of his hands will lead to digging her spurs into his ribs, or using her free hands against his face (strangling him?)

An advantage of cuffed hands in this position is that he can stay/crawl on hands and knees while the rider sit on his back

JayRey8585:

The only "human-horse" I currently ride is of course a completely consensual arrangement  and riding him  or just sitting on his back is his fetish.

However, I enjoy  pushing him to his limits and  later(when he recovers) he expresses  his enjoyment of  the rather  harsh treatment.

When I have pushed him to exhaustion I can feel his back sagging under my bottom and his back muscles seem to shake and vibrate. This is usually when I'm riding  , but sometimes when I'm just sitting on his back whether astride or sideways.  I usually don't dismount  when I first notice  and I don't get off him until  I think he might have a physical problem. Sometimes he will simply stop the ride , implying he's to tired to continue and I'll jus stay sitting on him  until he continues  or I get bored.  In our arrangement, I'm completely in charge  and  he simply  avoids offending me. During these times, he is  no more than a beast of burden.

JayRey8585:

Sometimes I'm annoyed when I know he really just wants a break  and isn't exhausted  and if he get's  exhausted to  early because riding him or just sitting on him is fun. Sometimes I'm more in the  mood than he is.  I should explain  that he is a laborer , used to hard work  and he's in his late 50's.Sometimes he's to tired for  a hard session and I want to  go longer. Sometimes I  push him harder  and sometimes I don't.  More often then  not I simply don't care how he feels  or what he's up to. He knew from the start of little arrayment   that it's  all about me.

There have been times when I felt like appealing to his fetish for having women sit  or ride on him  and I  might dress especially  for his or  my  amusement  and other times I just wear what I feel like.           Keep in mind  that there is  no sex  involved  and whatever  he  gets out of being "my slave" doesn't concern me at all. Whatever else I do to him or ON him  doesn't matter and I don't care how he feels.           As for urging him on or punishing  him, More often  than  anything else I usually will just remain sitting on  him if he stops and only kick him occasionally .  But there have been times  that I  made him roll over and  just sat on his chest  to remind him I was still completely in charge. It's more  symbolic than a real punishment but  he doesn't dare push me off or complain very much. I don't think it  hurts very much  but I do consider that he  only weighs about 30 lbs more than I do so it probably  hurts  if I sit  to long.

JayRey8585:

Actually I only mentioned his size vs  mine because sometimes I simply liked squashing him at least a little.   I feel that having him endure some pain for my amusement  is a part of his subservience to me, and by extension women in general.

He is my "handy man" and  does all kinds of repairs etc. on my home and indulging his fetish is all I do for him in return. I'm not overtly cruel to  him most of the time, but I don't think he minds being treated as a  "slave"  or a beast of burden.

As for the longest session, I think the longest I have used him continuously was a little over two hours.

I have offered his back to several of my  friends and two ladies did sit on his back ,one sat on him for about 15 minutes.  I have threatened to have my dearest friend sit on him and ride him  but he is reluctant since  she  can be  quite assertive  and she weighs over 260 lbs. 
I have a  very  close male friend who is gay  and asked to sit on him and ride him. My friend is  about his weight and I think it would be something  fun to watch, but I  haven't allowed that to happen  yet  and I don't want to mess up our arrangement since  obviously my handyman is  heterosexual.

As for  clothing, I have worn everything from  street clothing to Jodhpurs with  boots and spurs and full  country/western dancing  dresses. He loves  me in short skirts etc. but I'm never  nude though  I have come very close wearing things like  my  "merry widow corset and thong panties  just to keep his interest.

Other things I do  is casually sit down on him while he is working on things in my  home when I find him in the right position. I often talk on the phone with him serving as a chair  and I don't care  if he's ready or busy with something. The more selfish I am with him the more he seem to enjoy it.

JayRey8585:

I have often compared him to a donkey with the same reasoning you have expressed . I have even considered him less than a donkey or a horse since he chose his place while a donkey has no choice about being sat on.

But while such thoughts tend to amuse me and  justify some of my harsher treatment, I have to seriously consider that he is a  human after all and I could  hurt him by pushing him too far.

I have no real affection for him beyond his usefulness and my little sadistic streak and indulgences at his expanse.

JayRey8585:

You must understand that while being cruel  and dismissive of my  handyman and  objectifying is  a major part of our relationship, he  does  enjoy and crave  it even though it hurts and to  some extent is humiliating for  him.  Of course I enjoy humiliating him  without  specially labeling it  humiliation.

I indulge  myself in  my feelings of  feminine superiority at his  expense in dominating him and objectifying him which of  course he accepts.   If I plan to have a  friend sit on his  back, I give him a task that will have him on his  hands and knees  and  simply suggest that  my  friend/guest sit on him. He never  really objected to  this even when the  guest was  20 lbs. heavier than I am  and even a slight look of annoyance  on his face  will result in me punishing him or my dismissing him without the treatment from me that he desires.

He is troubled  by  my plus sized friend wanting to sit on is back  but he knows  better than to refuse or really even object.                         The one thing I have indulged his desires  to  not participate in ,is as I mentioned, my very dear  gay male  friend sitting on  his back and/or riding him. My gay friend has a  very  nice full ass and I doubt  handyman would  notice and difference between his weight  and that of  most of  my  women friends. I have mentioned this reality to  handyman and so far I have not pushed the  issue.   But  his silent refusal does  annoy  me  and my gay friend's desires  has me feeling that  I must  squash  handyman's silent rebellion.  He's  not  my  "slave" of course but I enjoy treating him as if he were. 

I have of course dropped  hard on his back and  bounced my weight on him many times. But to be honest, I rarely sit down on him gently whether  astride or sideways. I Simply  sit without  bothering to be careful.

JayRey8585:

I was away on a business trip and really couldn't give  you a full reply because I  wanted  to  experience  my handyman's reaction to  submitting to  what I very strongly belie4ved he wouldn't like.

Rather than having them interrupt his work, I  decided to test his submission to me, which in itself was  somewhat new territory since it's an aspect  that while obvious, was never fully established.   

I had my plus-sized friend  test him first since she  had been wanting to do so since I  first told her about the arrangement.                         I told him  to get into position and he obeyed without a word.                She simply walked right over and sat down on his back, right between his shoulders as one  would sit on a chair. Her feet were off the floor  and I was surprised  that his arms  didn't give out right way.  He  held her  weight until she moved to  sit astride him  and I think the  little  bit of a bounce she made while turning to sit that way  was  the difference. handyman's arms gave out and he fell prone with  my friend sitting on  him. She didn't move to get off  and we were both laughing as he tried to move his arms under himself and her to get back up or at least room to breathe. I told her to just sit on him for a while and she didn't get off him for several minutes.

The Next test was was with my dear  friend who is  an openly gay  man , partially because  I wanted to  push  handyman's obedience  and because  my  gay friend was  interested in  the relationship between handman and me. 
I' ll relate  what yhappened  if that interests you. ???

JayRey8585:

I was honestly surprised that  Handyman held my plus size  friend for as long as he did.  His face turned red  and you could see beads of  perspiration  which amused both  my friend and  me but he wasn't  as  amused as we were.   My friend's name is  Julia  BTW  and even when she first sat down on him she didn't  go easy on him and obviously enjoyed having  him struggling under her bottom.

Handyman did show some serious discomfort when his arms gave out and  Julia's weight came down on top of him. Julia was laughing but  started to lift herself off but I told her to  sit there a little longer.            Handyman  looked at me and started to say something I really couldn't hear  but I hushed  him  and  said "if she's to heavy on your back, I'll have her sit on your chest instead".

It's a pity that I didn't try to get him up on all fours again  just to see how far he could crawl with Julia sitting on  him , but  it was  fun to watch, especially since  Julia weighs at least twice what I do when I'm sitting on him. 

My gay friend was the real test because Handyman is straight of course and tends to change the subject whenever I mention   my gay friend (his name is Wayne ).  Wayne is openly gay  and  very dominant with other gay  men.
Wayne  isn't nearly as heavy as  Julia of course but testing  Handyman's  submission was in a different way  and Wayne was perfect in that capacity.  After I got  Handyman into position , Wayne  hopped onto his back, causing  his back to sag.  Handyman  didn't  react to much at first  but as Wayne squirmed and  bounced  his ass around on Handyman  in the pretense of sitting comfortably on him, Handyman became annoyed but managed to stay in his position.       Wayne was  making  taunting and  back handed compliments about Handyman's back and how his back muscles felt under  Wayne's  ass.

I think Wayne was  enjoying  Handyman's discomfort  with their  relative positions  more because Handyman is an older  straight man who clearly didn't like Wayne  sitting on him.     For my part, I enjoyed  not only testing my control of Handyman , but the sight of Wayne having so much fun at Handyman's expense.

JayRey8585:

Julia had already left  my house when I had Wayne sit on Handyman, but I think she was sitting on him for  about 5  minutes before he  fell under her.  I had Julia sit on him about another  5 minutes   after  that because  I really doubt he could have gotten out from under her anyway.

I doubt  he could carry her even  if she  wore  my spurs . He's stronger than I expected but he's not a  young man after all.

I didn't prepare  Julia for what we   were doing  , so she was just wearing an every day skirt and blouse that she was comfortable in.
Another friend of mine had already  tried sitting on handyman on the day  we discovered his fetish  and I will probably test  handyman's back  under both of us  at the  next  opportunity.

It was honestly  delightful  and   surprisingly  erotic watching  Wayne sit on Handyman's back.   Wayne is attractive in an androgenous  way  , often making me wish he wasn't  gay.
He's dominant   in an almost effeminate way  that  I'm sure made handyman  even more uncomfortable and  amusing for me to watch.    Wayne was  a little  harder on Handyman than I think he would have been  with  some submissive gay   man in the same place  but I knew he wouldn't hurt  him and   Wayne's attitude   through it all sort of brought out my  dominant side  more than usual .  Wayne sat on handyman for well over 10 minutes  and  then again for about 5  minutes a half hour later after I made  handyman get back into position.

JayRey8585:

I don't know  how much credit I deserve since handyman already had the obsession  or fetish when I  met him.   The first time I sat on his back  I was  a little high on wine  and it was  sort of a  joke. 
Later it became obvious that having  women sit and ride on him was something he craved and I was his  focus.

I indulged his fetish of course  but I  kept it light without letting  know that I enjoyed  sitting on him. I kept  the situation  light and reasonable, rather like it was  just a mild amusement  while he  seemed to crave  it more and become  more obedient  .

When  Julia showed so much interest in using Handyman the same way, I had my mind half way made up  that I was  going to  have her ride  him or at least  sit on him.   I knew    Julia wouldn't be  to gentle   because  after being in a bad marriage, she has a  love/hate relationship with men   and wouldn't be  really concerned  if handyman didn't like it or even if he  got hurt.

I was  married to a  homophobic guy  so I was familiar  with Handyman's aversion to gay men  like  Wayne.   When   Wayne  showed so much interest in handyman's fetish I decided to test Handyman  the way  we  have been  discussing. 

I don't know  if I'll continue working on  handyman   or  turn back to  the way things  were before I involved  Wayne and  Julia. 
Handyman does good work  and  never charges me anything or  demands  that I  ride or sit on him at all. He just looks disappointed if  I don't indulge him .

JayRey8585:

I have used spurs very lightly on handyman but only the  the  spurs I used to  use on my horse.  Handyman gave me a  gift of really  beautiful roller spurs that are  very sharp  and dangerous.  But I only  nudged him with  them once when  I was posing on his back in a special outfit  that he requested.  I stabbed his ribs  even with that little kick I gave him  even  then.

Handyman  had  trouble speaking at all  when  Julia was sitting on him and his arms gave out . I know he was kind of whispering  for Julia to  get off, but   he shut up when I  told him I would have  Julia sit on his chest instead.   I know  Julia  would have  sat on his chest   if I asked her to because  as I said,. she still has  anger issues   with men  because of her  history.

Handyman didn't really say much about Wayne sitting on his back but I  could tell he found it humiliating.  I think it was obvious  to him that I wouldn't  allow  Wayne  to be  insulted or disparaged   by  him because Wayne  and  Julia  are my closest and dearest  friends and I owe  Wayne a great deal from favors he has done for me in the past.

I suppose handyman  listens to my conversations when I happen to be sitting on his back while talking on the phone. I simply don't care if he does since he's not  a boyfriend  or a lover and  really  just  furniture  at that time  and I hardly think about him  unless I sit to long and I think he might  fall under me.