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In reading the previous post concerning the preferred gender of the rider vs the carrier, I started thinking about the gender roles and wondering how strong the preferences of both the rider and carrier might be.
First let me say that in regard to sexual orientation, I'm completely nonjudgmental.
However, since many here have stated their preference for either male or female carriers and either male or female riders, I'm curious concerning the issue of the flexibility in regard to the people engaged in this activity and how common that flexibility is.
If effect, I'm curious if a man who prefers carrying women would opt for carrying a man if a woman rider isn't available? Likewise, would a male rider who prefers riding on a woman's shoulders would take or accept a ride on a man in the absence of a female carrier?
I have expressed the personal opinion that in the case of a carrier that is submissive to a specific rider, the rider should have the option of loaning a carrier to another rider even if the carrier prefers to carry a rider of his/her preferred gender.
But obviously not all carriers are submissive or "owned" by their riders and as such would normally have a choice. This would also of course apply to the riders.
Based on my most recent experience in riding on a decidedly gay man who clearly preferred carrying only men, and my general inexperience in regard to this activity, I'm basically curious in regard to how other riders and carriers view their roles. I was for the most part indifferent to my carrier's preference but as his resentment of me/my gender as his rider became obvious, I found myself disliking him which in itself became somewhat liberating.
I suppose my question to everyone is, would you as either a rider or a carrier be willing to partake in your role if your partner were not of the gender you prefer?
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I am a Carrier, and I only look for Girls to ride me.
I want to be under Girls control, weight and domination and when she rides me, it gives me fulfillment and satisfaction. It makes my Life Happy.
I have given ride to male, from a member of this site only, though rides were on all 4s. I have enjoyed the rides, but still I don't get excited and that feeling to give rides again to a male rider.
Thanks.
Audreyb wrote:
In reading the previous post concerning the preferred gender of the rider vs the carrier, I started thinking about the gender roles and wondering how strong the preferences of both the rider and carrier might be.
First let me say that in regard to sexual orientation, I'm completely nonjudgmental.
However, since many here have stated their preference for either male or female carriers and either male or female riders, I'm curious concerning the issue of the flexibility in regard to the people engaged in this activity and how common that flexibility is.
If effect, I'm curious if a man who prefers carrying women would opt for carrying a man if a woman rider isn't available? Likewise, would a male rider who prefers riding on a woman's shoulders would take or accept a ride on a man in the absence of a female carrier?
I have expressed the personal opinion that in the case of a carrier that is submissive to a specific rider, the rider should have the option of loaning a carrier to another rider even if the carrier prefers to carry a rider of his/her preferred gender.
But obviously not all carriers are submissive or "owned" by their riders and as such would normally have a choice. This would also of course apply to the riders.
Based on my most recent experience in riding on a decidedly gay man who clearly preferred carrying only men, and my general inexperience in regard to this activity, I'm basically curious in regard to how other riders and carriers view their roles. I was for the most part indifferent to my carrier's preference but as his resentment of me/my gender as his rider became obvious, I found myself disliking him which in itself became somewhat liberating.
I suppose my question to everyone is, would you as either a rider or a carrier be willing to partake in your role if your partner were not of the gender you prefer?
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NY male:
Thank you NY male. That is the personal viewpoint I am curious about. This is relatively new to me as an activity and in that I'm exclusively a rider, I have a limited view on the subject.
I found your views as a heterosexual man interesting though I imagined that sitting on another man's shoulders would be preferable to carrying another man.
The only man I know who pursues this activity regularly is a gay man but I basically assumed that the sensations and the implied domination of another male would have more appeal to a heterosexual man as well.
it did occur to me that barring some erotic clothing, that the carrier being unable to see the person sitting on him might simply resign himself to his task as being in the submissive position regardless of gender. Based on your reply, I understand that this would not apply to you.
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trigger:
So as I understand it, you see your role as a carrier as being both submissive and gender specific.
I'm quite familiar with the pseudo-masochistic urges of some men in regard to being dominated by women as I tend to attract men with varying degrees of this desire with quite specific tastes in the form of this submission.
I am however curious in regard to you motivation in allowing another male to sit on your back.
Please understand that I'm neither assuming or implying anything in regard to your motivation.
Obviously this could be just a friendly gesture to accommodate the interests of someone who shares an aspect of your interest. It's not my intention to be intrusive but rather to gain a greater understanding of both this activity and those who engage in it.
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What you are saying is correct about giving rides to the male partner as we both share the common interest.
That's why the rides actually happened.
That time I felt like if I like to be a horse or carry someone , I should not be gender specific, so I tried giving him rides on my back.
It was good experience, I am not denying.
But it was not the experience which I crave for. It's not the experience dream of.
I can also give rides to male in future, but it will not give me the same satisfaction which I derive from a female rider.
I would also like to tell you that earlier I was also liking to ride some girls, which I did in spa parlours.
But after a period of time , I got to understand my priorities well , and which are to be a horse only.
So I am in a position now that I know that what I enjoy and what gives me satisfaction, which is to be a horse for females.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
So as I understand it, you see your role as a carrier as being both submissive and gender specific.
I'm quite familiar with the pseudo-masochistic urges of some men in regard to being dominated by women as I tend to attract men with varying degrees of this desire with quite specific tastes in the form of this submission.
I am however curious in regard to you motivation in allowing another male to sit on your back.
Please understand that I'm neither assuming or implying anything in regard to your motivation.
Obviously this could be just a friendly gesture to accommodate the interests of someone who shares an aspect of your interest. It's not my intention to be intrusive but rather to gain a greater understanding of both this activity and those who engage in it.
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trigger:
Thank you. Over the years I have come to understand that for most men submission is only one facet of his personality and sexually related just as dominance is normally a single facet of mine.
With that said, I enjoy the concept of maintaining control (at least in concept) of a submissive to the point of controlling his actions when I'm not presently directing him.
In regard to this subject , that would including "loaning" him to another person and specifically to "Lift Him" or "Carry Her" in that his efforts are in reality still serving me.
I both enjoy the control factor and also the pseudo-chivalry involved.
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Audrey.
You are right in this view.
Well if i think that if i get a girl who is riding me or lets say own me, and she commands me to give ride to a male friend of hers, i would certainly do with pleasure, as indeed i will be serving that female.
Well i also fantasize double riding on me, like the couple riding or husband and wife riding on me, this i have never tried, but i think it should be exciting.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
Thank you. Over the years I have come to understand that for most men submission is only one facet of his personality and sexually related just as dominance is normally a single facet of mine.
With that said, I enjoy the concept of maintaining control (at least in concept) of a submissive to the point of controlling his actions when I'm not presently directing him.
In regard to this subject , that would including "loaning" him to another person and specifically to "Lift Him" or "Carry Her" in that his efforts are in reality still serving me.
I both enjoy the control factor and also the pseudo-chivalry involved.
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trigger:
I find the thought of double-riding entertaining even if it's impractical. I can only assume it could even be attempted with the couple sitting on the carriers back in the hands and knees pony type position.
I have encountered couples who are both sexually dominant and shared submissives but I didn't know them well enough to know what was involved in their sharing arrangements. I did by chance learn that their submissives were male.
I'm not married (divorced) so I can only imagine such a riding arrangement being shared with a lover or more casually with a male friend. I think for the average male submissive, two of us just sitting on him would be difficult for him even if he remained stationary.
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Audrey.
I have given double rides on all 4s.
There are some African dominatrix here in India, who do this for money , and they like this fetish too.
I have given ride to such a domme and her sister, they both weigh around 130 kg or may be 270 pounds
They sat on my back on all 4s, and yes it was quite heavy, I was moving but very very slowly.
They have a large room, so I must have gone just a few steps while being ridden, and then I requested them to dismount, but t the main dominatrix said they are not going to walk on their feets, I have to go back to the sofa where i started.
That was the main trouble, but I enjoyed...a lot..and I still remember it.
Unfortunately the main domme has moved to Kenya for some time, so I am again a lonely pony, searching for rider.
We have also tried the double rides on shoulder, though it was like - Main Domme on my shoulders, and her sister- I have to cradle carry.
We tried when she was on my shoulders, but I was not able to cradle, don't know why.
Then we have done double rides on donkey calf rides, when they both were sitting and riding on me donkey calf style..
I like double rides very much.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
I find the thought of double-riding entertaining even if it's impractical. I can only assume it could even be attempted with the couple sitting on the carriers back in the hands and knees pony type position.
I have encountered couples who are both sexually dominant and shared submissives but I didn't know them well enough to know what was involved in their sharing arrangements. I did by chance learn that their submissives were male.
I'm not married (divorced) so I can only imagine such a riding arrangement being shared with a lover or more casually with a male friend. I think for the average male submissive, two of us just sitting on him would be difficult for him even if he remained stationary.
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Just so you have some more info on the topic, I will only carry women. Some situations are different than others though because I often carry the female members of my family.
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Guero - I have a question for you ?
Which of the female members you lift and in which style, if you can tell ?
Do you get the same feel giving ride to family members like you get with other persons ?
How often does your family members ride you ?
Thanks.
guero wrote:
Just so you have some more info on the topic, I will only carry women. Some situations are different than others though because I often carry the female members of my family.
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guero:
Thank you.
I am looking for each individuals perspective ,preferences and even prejudices within respectful limits from both carriers and riders.
In regard to carrying female members of your family, I very much appreciate chivalry even though I also expect it and even demand it in some cases.
The manner in which a man might carry a woman, based on the needs and conditions as well as the respective size of the people involved obviously must be considered.
For example, my father and my younger brother had to piggy-back my mother and I through deep wet snow and rain on 3 occasions to reach dry ground from where our car was parked on the way to church. Neither of them were strong enough at the time to carry us in any other manner safely because my mother is a larger woman and my brother was smaller than I was at the time. I don't really like being carried in that manner but the distance was never more than 100 feet and I endured it to save my shoes.
I'm somewhat curious in regard to the circumstances in which you carried ladies in your family and if this service was expected of you?
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Audrey:
great experience i must say.
well i have a question if you can tell.
Did your mother ever sat or ridden your brother ?
Audreyb wrote:
guero:
Thank you.
I am looking for each individuals perspective ,preferences and even prejudices within respectful limits from both carriers and riders.
In regard to carrying female members of your family, I very much appreciate chivalry even though I also expect it and even demand it in some cases.
The manner in which a man might carry a woman, based on the needs and conditions as well as the respective size of the people involved obviously must be considered.
For example, my father and my younger brother had to piggy-back my mother and I through deep wet snow and rain on 3 occasions to reach dry ground from where our car was parked on the way to church. Neither of them were strong enough at the time to carry us in any other manner safely because my mother is a larger woman and my brother was smaller than I was at the time. I don't really like being carried in that manner but the distance was never more than 100 feet and I endured it to save my shoes.
I'm somewhat curious in regard to the circumstances in which you carried ladies in your family and if this service was expected of you?
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Trigger:
My mother threatened to sit on my brother many times but if she actually did so I'm unaware of it.
My mother is about 250 lbs. now and was a bit heavier when my brother and I were children so her sitting on him was certainly enough to frighten him. Riding him would have been impossible because I'm certain he would collapse as soon as she sat on him. I don't think he could support her even today as an adult.
I hesitate to talk about this because it's off the subject of this forum and I'm sure there are groups that discuss squashing as an activity or punishment etc. I'm not sure if straying that far from the topic is within the rules here.
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Audrey
Ya correct its off topic..
But did some Squashing happened in your family, means you or your mother squashing some family member.
We can also share on e-mail if you wish.
Audreyb wrote:
Trigger:
My mother threatened to sit on my brother many times but if she actually did so I'm unaware of it.
My mother is about 250 lbs. now and was a bit heavier when my brother and I were children so her sitting on him was certainly enough to frighten him. Riding him would have been impossible because I'm certain he would collapse as soon as she sat on him. I don't think he could support her even today as an adult.
I hesitate to talk about this because it's off the subject of this forum and I'm sure there are groups that discuss squashing as an activity or punishment etc. I'm not sure if straying that far from the topic is within the rules here.
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trigger:
My mother pinned my father down several times, mostly just playing. I think once it was serious but I'm not sure what it was about. My mother was always the authority figure in the home but my parents didn't really argue or fight seriously very often.
My brother got "squashed" so to speak but usually by me ,especially when I was bigger than he was. I was always pouncing on him over something .My mother talked about incidents that I was to young to remember. I was something of a bully in regard to him and he is still sort of afraid of me but he has a wife to keep him in line now.
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wow great..
I wish i should have been your younger brother...
then it was all times riding and riding..sitting ..24 hrs..365 days..
wish it cud have happened. I just desired my young life, what you described.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
My mother pinned my father down several times, mostly just playing. I think once it was serious but I'm not sure what it was about. My mother was always the authority figure in the home but my parents didn't really argue or fight seriously very often.
My brother got "squashed" so to speak but usually by me ,especially when I was bigger than he was. I was always pouncing on him over something .My mother talked about incidents that I was to young to remember. I was something of a bully in regard to him and he is still sort of afraid of me but he has a wife to keep him in line now.
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trigger:
That's funny because I'm sure there were times my brother could have been you or anyone else.
My mother still tells stories about how I tried to ride my brother when he was two years old and I was four. He was always thin and based on what I've seen, a 4 year old girl probably weighs more than twice as much as a 2 year old boy. She said that he would be down on his hands and knees crawling or playing with something and I would sit on his back like a pony and he would fall down and cry and she would have to tell me to get off of him. Judging from her stories this must have happened many times. I honestly don't remember most of those things.
My mother's strict rule was that my brother couldn't hit me or hit me back no matter what I did to him. That made it easy for me to bully him but I thought this was normal and all families were like ours. If I had a son and a daughter I really think I would raise them the same way. My brother is basically successful and became more so since his wife and I became good friends. She and I didn't get along at first but we talked one day and she understood that she had to take control of my brother or he would slack off. His career was lagging at the time and she took my advice to take control and spur him on.
Now she and I are like sisters which is something I always wanted. My brother works long hours now but increased their income by almost double. I know this is off the subject but the point I am trying to make is that my brother's success is at least partially the result of the women in his life taking charge and riding him , at least in the figurative sense. Some men simply need to be directed.
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Audrey -
You correctly said - Some men simply need to be directed.
I am feeling the same.
I think my life can be a lot better , if i get a good rider , which can ride me also and guide me also, though i know its more of a fantasy things, chances of this happening in real are very dim.
Though if I have been your younger brother, you could have ridden me with all pony accessories, like saddle, reins, whips, and Jodhpurs riding outfits.
Wow..what life it could have been.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
That's funny because I'm sure there were times my brother could have been you or anyone else.
My mother still tells stories about how I tried to ride my brother when he was two years old and I was four. He was always thin and based on what I've seen, a 4 year old girl probably weighs more than twice as much as a 2 year old boy. She said that he would be down on his hands and knees crawling or playing with something and I would sit on his back like a pony and he would fall down and cry and she would have to tell me to get off of him. Judging from her stories this must have happened many times. I honestly don't remember most of those things.
My mother's strict rule was that my brother couldn't hit me or hit me back no matter what I did to him. That made it easy for me to bully him but I thought this was normal and all families were like ours. If I had a son and a daughter I really think I would raise them the same way. My brother is basically successful and became more so since his wife and I became good friends. She and I didn't get along at first but we talked one day and she understood that she had to take control of my brother or he would slack off. His career was lagging at the time and she took my advice to take control and spur him on.
Now she and I are like sisters which is something I always wanted. My brother works long hours now but increased their income by almost double. I know this is off the subject but the point I am trying to make is that my brother's success is at least partially the result of the women in his life taking charge and riding him , at least in the figurative sense. Some men simply need to be directed.
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trigger:
I don't think my mother would have let me go quite that far. She often remarked that I treated my brother more like a pet than a brother when I wasn't bullying him in some manner. I think that is probably true because I still tend to think of him that way. But I think she would have objected to me putting a saddle on him even if he was agreeable . I happen to own a riding crop which was a gift from a boyfriend who had a fetish for such things but other than using it on an actual horse, the only thing I ever slapped with it was the palm of my hand.
I sat on a saddle on a man's back once by chance . A group of us were just playing around with some riding tack and one guy got down and another guy put the saddle on his back and of course everyone took a turn sitting on it.
I suppose a saddle would be useful if someone were to ride on another person's back or his shoulders if such an arrangement could be accomplished.
I remember seeing a video of a guy who made a living by entertaining at parties wearing a saddle sort of on his shoulders and giving women rides while he danced .
I might have participated if he was the entertainment at a party that I attended but I doubt I would hire him for a party myself.
I think I would rather ride on someone bareback rather than being carried while sitting on leather.
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That guy was Danny the Wonder Pony.
He has a website also. I was paid member of that.
He has given so many rides , and even with double riders.
He used to take pain killers for giving ride to girls all night. Later he also developed serious issues in his back, as I think his riding posture was not correct, it was meant that acrider should get feel of a horse. And Danny will get some less weight.
He was one of the few persons who have fully realized their dreams of getting ridden. He is now no more in news, neither his site is updated. Hope he is doing good.
Did ur brothers wife while teaching and being strict on him also ride him.
And have u ridden ur brother in front of his wife.
Thanks
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
I don't think my mother would have let me go quite that far. She often remarked that I treated my brother more like a pet than a brother when I wasn't bullying him in some manner. I think that is probably true because I still tend to think of him that way. But I think she would have objected to me putting a saddle on him even if he was agreeable . I happen to own a riding crop which was a gift from a boyfriend who had a fetish for such things but other than using it on an actual horse, the only thing I ever slapped with it was the palm of my hand.
I sat on a saddle on a man's back once by chance . A group of us were just playing around with some riding tack and one guy got down and another guy put the saddle on his back and of course everyone took a turn sitting on it.
I suppose a saddle would be useful if someone were to ride on another person's back or his shoulders if such an arrangement could be accomplished.
I remember seeing a video of a guy who made a living by entertaining at parties wearing a saddle sort of on his shoulders and giving women rides while he danced .
I might have participated if he was the entertainment at a party that I attended but I doubt I would hire him for a party myself.
I think I would rather ride on someone bareback rather than being carried while sitting on leather.
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Yes, it was Danny the wonder pony. I just happened to catch that video, I think on You Tube but it was well over a year ago and I'm not sure. I can't help but wonder if having ladies sit on your shoulders or back every day would remain a "dream job" for very long? I can only imagine that from my perspective, if I were to sit on a man's shoulders routinely , like ride a man to work instead of driving, it would become very much like sitting on my car seat. I mean it would be simple functional. I can only imagine that for Danny, the woman on his back would simply be weight.
As for my brother and his wife, I know she did pony ride him and also sat on his shoulders .She talked to me about "playing pony" with him but I never asked how often that might have occurred . I saw her mount his shoulders on one occasion and I doubt this happens very often because she's heavier than I am and probably weighs as much as he does. He did struggle quite a bit lifting her. I think she would be concerned about injuring him because he would lose time from work.
No, I have never been carried by my brother while his wife was present and probably wouldn't unless she asked me to. We enjoy embarrassing him by talking about things I did with him at family gatherings and making jokes about it. But I made it clear that he belongs to her now with the assurance that I will help her keep him in line if she asks me to.
I should explain that she isn't abusive to him but has learned from me and taken my advice about keeping him under control. It's what he is used to and if she doesn't stay on him he will start to slack off.
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ponystu:
I see your wife's point of view. It wouldn't be a problem for me with my circle of friends because they all tend to be uninhibited and adventurous concerning such things. But I have other friends who would just consider such things weird. My ex husband would have submitted to giving a double ride but wouldn't have volunteered.
One lady did enjoy sitting on his back while he did push-ups and he didn't object because she pretended to be impressed which stroked his ego. I knew that she was really just doing this to annoy her own husband who couldn't do a push-up with her sitting on him.
I have to admit that my ex husband was strong. One of my neighbors who is a good friend of mine and is quite heavy wanted to see if he could do push-ups with her on his back. He agreed to try with some encouragement from several of us who were there. He got down and she sat on him. After struggling for about a minute he managed to do one push-up but never managed to do a second one with all of us teasing and laughing at him as he strained for about 5 minutes with his face turning beet red until he just gave up and laid there with my friend just sitting on him.
I don't think you should push your wife on the subject of double riding on you. If it's something that you both enjoy then keeping it between you for now is better. She might at some point casually mention this activity to a friend she feels she can confide in and eventually meet someone who is interested and may want to try it. Women tend to want to try things that other women like and are emboldened by other women's approval. Let your wife take the lead on such matters.
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Thanks a lot for telling, wish I can also get some ladies like this who can ride me and control me.
and yes you are right, if rides are happening daily , it becomes weight, but I also believe it depends on the person fitness level.
Lets take my case, I was very fit and athletic few years ago, and have enjoyed being ridden and trampled by many heavy women's.
But now, I am totally unfit, over weight, eating junk, and now when some heavy women rides or trample me, i feel pain, and enjoyment is becoming less and less.
Though I have started exercises again to be fit and enjoy my rides.
Audreyb wrote:
trigger:
Yes, it was Danny the wonder pony. I just happened to catch that video, I think on You Tube but it was well over a year ago and I'm not sure. I can't help but wonder if having ladies sit on your shoulders or back every day would remain a "dream job" for very long? I can only imagine that from my perspective, if I were to sit on a man's shoulders routinely , like ride a man to work instead of driving, it would become very much like sitting on my car seat. I mean it would be simple functional. I can only imagine that for Danny, the woman on his back would simply be weight.
As for my brother and his wife, I know she did pony ride him and also sat on his shoulders .She talked to me about "playing pony" with him but I never asked how often that might have occurred . I saw her mount his shoulders on one occasion and I doubt this happens very often because she's heavier than I am and probably weighs as much as he does. He did struggle quite a bit lifting her. I think she would be concerned about injuring him because he would lose time from work.
No, I have never been carried by my brother while his wife was present and probably wouldn't unless she asked me to. We enjoy embarrassing him by talking about things I did with him at family gatherings and making jokes about it. But I made it clear that he belongs to her now with the assurance that I will help her keep him in line if she asks me to.
I should explain that she isn't abusive to him but has learned from me and taken my advice about keeping him under control. It's what he is used to and if she doesn't stay on him he will start to slack off.
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ponystu.
My friend, who is really quite lovely by the way, weighs about 250 lbs.
I honestly thought my ex husband would be able to do a few push-ups with her on him because he did a bench press with 350 lbs. I'm not familiar enough with the physics involved to know which would be harder. My larger friend sat on his back in the same place as the other lady had which was sideways between his shoulder blades. She didn't spare him any of her weight but didn't bounced down on him to make it harder either. She just sat down as she might sit on anything. Since he was already my ex at the time and she also has something of a negative history with him, I would have understood if she did try to make him fail, but that was not the case and he failed completely on his own. I admit I rather enjoyed watching him struggling and turning red and my friend was staying on him for a few more minutes just for fun.
Maybe she was getting a little satisfaction or revenge but I knew he wasn't going to be injured.
I don't know your wife's opinions obviously but women often enjoy having a man strain and exert themselves for her. Not to be mean but rather using his muscles on her behalf.
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ponystu:
My ex started in the up position. My friend then sat on him rather normally and shifted slightly higher toward his head. As he lowered his chest to the floor she kept her feet off the ground by extending her legs , keeping all of her weight on him as he lifted her that one time. But other than keeping her weight on him. She didn't do anything to increase his difficulty. I noted that because as I said, she and my ex had some negative history that my ex was responsible for and it crossed my mind that she might want to at least embarrass him by making him fail.
Also, when I met her, she was somewhat sensitive about her size. Since your wife is a plus size woman I'm sure you understand. I worked on building her confidence and introduced her to places where plus sized ladies could meet men who appreciate larger women .Suffice to say, she is quite confident now with good self esteem .
When my ex failed to do a second pushup with all of his straining, it was rather amusing, though I was slightly annoyed because I was proven wrong when I predicted he could do it five times. His big chest just flattened on the floor as his arms gave out and my friend probably was taking a little satisfaction in being a burden on him. Who could blame her?
I don't know how acrophobic your wife might be, but you might try increasing her confidence by having her sit on your shoulders while you are sitting on a chair. She could learn to keep her balance while sitting on you and learn where and how to sit comfortably while keeping her balance. You can reassure her during these sessions and slowly increase the length of time that she is on top of you.
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ponystu:
I think you should probably start with less than 10 minutes.
Because of her size, she might find the pressure on the back of her thighs somewhat uncomfortable at first. You should hunch your shoulders forward enough so that your upper back partially supports her buttock and keep your head down so she feels confident that she has a firm seat and at least as close to firm as she has sitting on your back while pony riding on you. Encourage her to sit upright and at first she can rest her feet on your thighs.
This may be uncomfortable for you and possibly painful but you should maintain the position and reassure her if she happens to ask if you're OK. She might attempt to relieve you of some of her weight if she thinks it's hurting you so you must endure it and reassure her as much as possible.
The clothing she might wear may also have an effect. Flesh holds onto flesh better than most fabric does so she would be better served wearing shorts than slacks or jeans so that her thighs maintain a better grip and you might try being shirtless or wearing whatever exposes the skin on your shoulders.
I think perhaps 5 minutes would be long enough for the first few sessions because of her inexperience and the pressure on her thighs. Also she might become rather bored just sitting on you for a longer period. Perhaps she can watch television or check her I-phone etc. as the periods of these sessions become longer. The strain on you will of course become more tolerable over time but in the beginning you should never let her think her weight caused you any strain or injury. She must be able to sit on you with the same confidence she does when sitting on your back while pony riding or even just sitting on a chair.
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... and one more piece of advice before you start: looking up and write down the name and telephone number of a good physiotherapist! You're gonna need one!
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ponystu:
I weigh 133 lbs. The most I have ever weighed is 135 lbs. Other than that skinny boy I rode in that chicken fight I previously mentioned, as silly as this might sound, up until last summer riding with my friend, the most any carrier endured under me was my father giving me pony rides up stairs to my bedroom. I don't think it would be fair to count my brother since he never really carried me and usually either endured my weight stationary or fell down when I sat on his back.
My ex husband carried me the longest time continuously. That was before we were married and I was probably no more than 125 lbs. and he was about 235 lbs. and quite strong.
I often wondered what it would be like to 'squish' a full grown man. But I'm only 5ft 2 in tall. I don't really want to get heavy, I just wonder what it would be like. If I did get seriously overweight being as short as I am, I would look rather rotund rather than big and sexy. Then I would have trouble finding men interested in letting me ride on them.
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Audrey.
You are and will always be as beautiful as a princess for your carriers like us, despite of your weight.
Thanks.
Audreyb wrote:
ponystu:
I weigh 133 lbs. The most I have ever weighed is 135 lbs. Other than that skinny boy I rode in that chicken fight I previously mentioned, as silly as this might sound, up until last summer riding with my friend, the most any carrier endured under me was my father giving me pony rides up stairs to my bedroom. I don't think it would be fair to count my brother since he never really carried me and usually either endured my weight stationary or fell down when I sat on his back.
My ex husband carried me the longest time continuously. That was before we were married and I was probably no more than 125 lbs. and he was about 235 lbs. and quite strong.
I often wondered what it would be like to 'squish' a full grown man. But I'm only 5ft 2 in tall. I don't really want to get heavy, I just wonder what it would be like. If I did get seriously overweight being as short as I am, I would look rather rotund rather than big and sexy. Then I would have trouble finding men interested in letting me ride on them.
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Audreyb:
I honestly don't think it would ever matter how much weight you would gain because I would say most carriers want to try riders of all different shapes and sizes. I love all sorts of variety whether it is short girls, tall girls, thick girls, thin girls or any combination of those. This way I can figure out exactly how much I can endure with each body type. I recently had the privilege of carrying an extremely tall girl. My cousin was visiting home from college and I hadn't seen her in 4 years. I was completely blown away to find out she had grown to be 6'4" and was on the volleyball and tennis teams at her college. While we were outside she made a joke about how I probably couldn't carry her anymore like when she was little, and as she said that I immediately took that as a challenge and accepted it. She agreed to let me try carrying her again so she spread her legs to allow me under. I was able to pick her up on my shoulders relatively easily and I carried her around the backyard for about ten minutes. She was in very good shape but got heavy after a while simply because of how large she is. She had the longest legs ive ever carried and the whole experience was great. I now know I could carry a 6'4" 160 lb woman very easily.
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ponystu:
My ex carried me for about two miles or perhaps a little farther because he carried me to the top of the last hill before starting back to his car. I suppose it would count because he stopped at the top of the hill and rested but he didn't put me down and only rested about a minute.
I think the ride was about an hour but I wasn't really paying attention to the time.
We had a little argument because he jogged for a short distance up a smaller hill and it bounced me around and frightened me a little and I was pulling on his hair to keep from falling off. The fool was breathing kind of hard and bent over bracing his hands on his knees and rested a few seconds. I wanted him to keep going but his hunched over position supported my bottom better while I sat on him and it let me recover from the bouncing when he jogged.
I was a little angry at him and I remember wishing I could be real heavy and squash him down there. I made him carry me more slowly and I refused to let him rest or put me down.
I was also a little angry that he didn't like having me on his shoulders. It was some macho things he had some kind of issue with. That's a bit of a story in itself.
It's off the subject here but his reluctance and attitudes were a challenge and that challenge was what kept me from dumping him. I just wanted to see how far I could take things with him.
He was not really the kind of guy I preferred at the time.
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guero:
I'm a little sensitive about heavy women even though I was never really overweight except being a little chubby before puberty. I always thought my legs were a little fat but men seem to like them and perhaps 135 lbs. is a little heavy for a woman who is 5ft 2 in but my waist is 26 in so I don't look very heavy.
My mother was always real heavy and I became sensitive about anyone mentioning it.
It made me really hate jerks who picked on heavy girls. I knew a couple of jerks who had a van with a sign on the back that read "No Fat Chicks" and I just wanted to kick them until my foot hurt. I would have loved to see two really big women sit on each of them until they died.
My ex-husband had a big problem with fat people too. Not as bad as those two jerks but it annoyed me quite a lot.
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Audrey:
Having been heavy at various times in my life I understand the feelings. Also one of the reasons I enjoy carrying girls that might feel too heavy to experience shoulder riding so that they can feel the thrill of it.
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guero:
I think that is very nice of you. My neighbor who I mentioned that is a plus-size woman ,the same one who challenged my ex to do push-up while sitting on him, is one who hasn't experienced being carried on anyone's shoulders since she was a young child. She was always heavy and even her father wouldn't let her even sit on his lap since she was 10 years old because she was "too Fat". When I was talking to her about my outings last summer with my friend, she told me that she was envious because she was to heavy to sit on a man's shoulders and would be afraid of squashing him and falling off.
If I was still married to my ex husband I might have insisted that he lift her on his shoulders because I know he's strong enough to make her feel secure. But since the divorce I don't have as much leverage to make him do what I want.
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Audreyb:
If we lived nearby each other I would be happy to let her sit on my shoulders. As long as I could actually pick her up I would carry her for as long as I could stand it. How much does she weigh?
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guero.
My friend weighs about 250 lbs. but she is quite shapely and attractive. She was even asked to be a plus-size model by an agency that designs a clothing line for larger women. I tried to talk her into it but while I have helped build up her self esteem , she's still rather inhibited.
I know I could convince her to sit on a man's back if her were on all fours, but I'm not certain she would try to sit on a man's shoulders to be carried. I think she would be afraid of being embarrassed if he failed or fell beneath her.
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Audreyb:
I could easily pick her up if we were in the water, plus she wouldn't have to worry about falling over. It's also a good way to get people used to it so that they might try it on dry land. Ideally, I would put her on my shoulders in the water at the beach, then slowly walk onto the dry land at whatever pace she was comfortable with. Those thick thighs would feel like heaven.
Also what is your favorite way to approach shoulder rides? Do you like it when the carrier asks or do you prefer to just get on without permission? When was the last time you simply got on someone's shoulders without any permission at all?
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guero:
It depends on my relationship with the carrier. If he were someone who carried me regularly ,I would expect him to obey when I ordered him to position himself so that I could sit on his shoulders. Obviously, the man loaned to me by my friend was not a "regular carrier" for me but since he was assigned to be my beast of burden, I treated him as such. One doesn't ask the permission of a horse before sitting on him and that was that particular man's role in that case.
I guess I would prefer to simply mount a carrier at my whim rather than consider his willingness to perform the task. This is of course impractical in most cases but that would be my preference.
On a few occasions in my teens, our groups had chicken fights on the beach and I was completely indifferent to the carrier's opinion. Most girls rode their boyfriend's shoulders but if my boyfriend wasn't there I would recruit any boy available. Some of the boys were not athletic and this resulted in some very brief fights/rides for me. My husband was of course expected to carry me if I wanted or needed to be carried but shoulder riding wasn't something I practiced with any regularity.
If a man asked to carry me on his shoulders, I might consider his motives but it would depend on how I felt about being carried at the time.
I think the idea of my plus size friend being carried while starting in water would be a good idea. I can imagine that in chest deep water, you could get beneath her and lift when she was comfortable and confident in sitting on you. She can swim, so if she fell she would still be safe.
She wears a bikini while sun bathing in her back yard so you would certainly feel her thighs since you seem to like that.
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Audreyb:
That sounds perfect. Tell her to feel free to gain weight, the heavier the better. Also your husband sounds like he was a very lucky man. I love the idea of living with a wife who loves shoulder rides and would recruit me to carry her friends.
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guero:
He's my ex husband now and he never liked carrying me or anyone on his shoulders. He wants me to take him back desperately and has promised to do whatever I want but for now I prefer being unencumbered . My friend has become more confident in her appeal through my tutoring and isn't nearly as shy about her weight as she was originally since she currently dates men who prefer larger ladies. She wouldn't be shy about sitting on your shoulders but she isn't used to being carried that way and would have to be confident that the man beneath her wouldn't drop her. She divorced her abusive husband about two years ago and she doesn't fully trust men on any level yet.
I think I would have her sit on a man's shoulders while the man sat on a bed or sofa the first time so she could become comfortable sitting on him and believe that he can take her weight.
Then later he could lift her in water etc. and walk into shallower water so she could see for herself that he could support her.
I know from experience that she wouldn't have any problem sitting on a man who was on all fours as I have watched her do so several times. It's the shoulder ride that she would have to build up to.
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Hey Audrey.
Can u pls tell when have u seen her riding someone on all 4s.
Will be interesting to know.
If she is traveling to India anytime.
She has a horse here.
Thanks
Audreyb wrote:
guero:
He's my ex husband now and he never liked carrying me or anyone on his shoulders. He wants me to take him back desperately and has promised to do whatever I want but for now I prefer being unencumbered . My friend has become more confident in her appeal through my tutoring and isn't nearly as shy about her weight as she was originally since she currently dates men who prefer larger ladies. She wouldn't be shy about sitting on your shoulders but she isn't used to being carried that way and would have to be confident that the man beneath her wouldn't drop her. She divorced her abusive husband about two years ago and she doesn't fully trust men on any level yet.
I think I would have her sit on a man's shoulders while the man sat on a bed or sofa the first time so she could become comfortable sitting on him and believe that he can take her weight.
Then later he could lift her in water etc. and walk into shallower water so she could see for herself that he could support her.
I know from experience that she wouldn't have any problem sitting on a man who was on all fours as I have watched her do so several times. It's the shoulder ride that she would have to build up to.
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I have seen my friend riding or sitting on someone's back several times as I said.
Once it was my ex husband's back in fact when he was performing some maintenance on her home as part of a payment to me when he failed to make a support payment . I actually suggested that she do so, assuming she would simply laugh it off .He was of course working on his hands and knees at the time repairing a leak under her sink. It was really quite cute because she sat on him sidesaddle and folded her arms. She was smiling at me of course but she "ordered" him to work faster in a stern voice as if she was quite serious. She has a history with my ex and some issues in regard to him so there was a touch of revenge involved. She know he dislikes and has been insulting to heavy people. She also knows that he wouldn't disobey me at the time because he was living in my basement , having been more or less evicted from his apartment and I allowed him to sleep on a cot in my basement until he could find an apartment that he could afford .
She sat on his strong back for several minutes and I was doing my best not to laugh out loud. He is quite strong but his back was sagging and he really couldn't use his tools because his arms were needed to support her weight. He finally mentioned this problem and she got off him a minute or so later.
I watched her "play horsey" on one of her admirers who probably would have done anything she asked of him. He was a tall and somewhat unattractive men in his 40's who was very red faced when he realized I was standing there watching. She was sitting astride his back rather than sideways like she was on my ex and he was crawling rather slowly. I just happened to stop by and she invited me in by just shouting out that the door was open. I think she wanted me to see that my "lectures" to her about being positive and assertive concerning herself were taken to heart.
I don't know which of them suggested that they "play horsey" but she has become quite confident and assertive .
She also sat astride her 12 year old son's back when he was sassing and fighting with her.
The boy is a very disrespectful brat who often swears at her and she was restraining him to keep him from escaping his punishment for his foul mouth. Believe me when I say that he had much worse coming to him.
I doubt she will be traveling aboard any time soon. He ex rarely makes the child support payments he owes her and she is often short of funds because she's supporting that son and his older sister.
I should mention you to her when I talk to her. I don't think he has ever sat on anyone from India. She might like knowing that she has someone who would like to serve her there.
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Audreyb:
All of those scenarios sound wonderful, any situation where she was sitting on my shoulders at all would be a treat. Plus I'd love her to feel some female empowerment after having been in a terrible relationship. She could sit on my shoulders while she cleans hard to reach places for example. Also what else does she look like? Hair color/eye color, long legs? Height? Also it goes without saying you're welcome to a shoulder ride as well if you'd ever be interested.
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Hey. Audrey.
Why don't u ask her to join this Group.
Audreyb wrote:
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I have seen my friend riding or sitting on someone's back several times as I said.
Once it was my ex husband's back in fact when he was performing some maintenance on her home as part of a payment to me when he failed to make a support payment . I actually suggested that she do so, assuming she would simply laugh it off .He was of course working on his hands and knees at the time repairing a leak under her sink. It was really quite cute because she sat on him sidesaddle and folded her arms. She was smiling at me of course but she "ordered" him to work faster in a stern voice as if she was quite serious. She has a history with my ex and some issues in regard to him so there was a touch of revenge involved. She know he dislikes and has been insulting to heavy people. She also knows that he wouldn't disobey me at the time because he was living in my basement , having been more or less evicted from his apartment and I allowed him to sleep on a cot in my basement until he could find an apartment that he could afford .
She sat on his strong back for several minutes and I was doing my best not to laugh out loud. He is quite strong but his back was sagging and he really couldn't use his tools because his arms were needed to support her weight. He finally mentioned this problem and she got off him a minute or so later.
I watched her "play horsey" on one of her admirers who probably would have done anything she asked of him. He was a tall and somewhat unattractive men in his 40's who was very red faced when he realized I was standing there watching. She was sitting astride his back rather than sideways like she was on my ex and he was crawling rather slowly. I just happened to stop by and she invited me in by just shouting out that the door was open. I think she wanted me to see that my "lectures" to her about being positive and assertive concerning herself were taken to heart.
I don't know which of them suggested that they "play horsey" but she has become quite confident and assertive .
She also sat astride her 12 year old son's back when he was sassing and fighting with her.
The boy is a very disrespectful brat who often swears at her and she was restraining him to keep him from escaping his punishment for his foul mouth. Believe me when I say that he had much worse coming to him.
I doubt she will be traveling aboard any time soon. He ex rarely makes the child support payments he owes her and she is often short of funds because she's supporting that son and his older sister.
I should mention you to her when I talk to her. I don't think he has ever sat on anyone from India. She might like knowing that she has someone who would like to serve her there.
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I don't know if she would be interested in just talking about her experiences or if sitting on a man's shoulders would be something she would like to pursue as a regular activity. With the exception of my ex husband on the occasion I mentioned, everyone I have seen her with has been smaller than she is. I believe this is because after her marriage and the abuse she suffered, she feels safer with men she can control physically if the man became aggressive. She is assertive enough to get her way and has her choice of most of the men at the bar that I introduced her to where the men who are interested in plus sized ladies go to meet the ladies they prefer.
She is one of the most attractive women who frequent that establishment and I had to teach her how to dress revealing but tasteful enough to get the men's attention.
I'm not certain how she would view , or take to the shoulder riding activity. My male friend who expressed his views and which I agreed with and adopted concerning treating the carrier as if the carrier's only place in life was to serve as a beast of burden might be strange to her at this phase of her social life.
However, I will ask her about it and perhaps tell you what she said and what her interests are if any.
In regard to her appearance, she is about 5 ft. 9 in tall , 250 lbs., very shapely considering her weight . She is blond with medium length hair and has a very fair complexion. Her legs are proportionate but quite shapely as well and her bottom gets a great deal of attention from men who like large rear ends. I should mention that her face is quite lovely with an ivory complexion and large blue eyes. Her name is Julia by the way. I don't think that she would mind people knowing her first name .
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Audreyb:
She sounds like a dream. Tell her she is welcome on my shoulders anytime she likes. I'd love nothing more than to lift her up on a hot day at a concert but it sounds like she wouldn't be ready for that yet.
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guero:
That would be an interesting situation. I believe that most girls/women want to be the ones sitting on a man's shoulders at a concert at least once. I always enjoyed being in the spotlight that way and of course being short, it gave me the opportunity to see the performance that would be difficult just standing there.
I didn't mention that to Julia when I talked about this forum to her because I just didn't think of it.
I think it would be interesting because the man she was sitting on would have to be quite strong and I also wonder if she would be self-conscious about being up there so long and clearly visible to the rest of the audience. Some people might make unkind remarks about her size or at least she might think they would. The men she dates are men who prefer larger ladies as I said so she is not self-conscious about them. But in a crowd she might well be. If she did accept such an offer, she would have to feel secure sitting there for so long and also be able to sit comfortably which I imagine would be difficult unless the man was broad enough to support her bottom and thighs.
We did talk for some time about the possibilities of her chatting here. I don't think I'm betraying any trust in saying that she said she enjoyed riding men on all fours and some of her boyfriends have a "crush" fetish or whatever you call it. She isn't inhibited about sitting on them and enjoys the acceptance and control. But she isn't confident enough to do so in a public setting where people might judge or even ridicule her concerning her weight.
I can only imagine her fears in this regard because I have never experience such fears and I can't imagine caring what people would think about it.
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Audreyb:
I'm sure she would love it at a concert if she tried it. Outdoor festivals are usually very forgiving of the concept. I could also think of a thousand different scenarios in which we could try it, it's just a matter of what she likes the best. I'd love to give her a shoulder ride while giving a tour of a house with high ceilings for example. Also hanging christmas lights and apple picking are fun ways to enjoy it when the time of year is right. If you'd ever be interested in one yourself, I'd love to hear what your favorite scenario is or one you would like to try. I'm always happy to help.
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I think for me I as a heterosexual I have only carried Females
However I would definitely carry a male especially if he’s heavy
Would love a big thick guy, either fat or muscular but someone that would make my body burn from the start
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NY male:
Thank you NY male. That is the personal viewpoint I am curious about. This is relatively new to me as an activity and in that I'm exclusively a rider, I have a limited view on the subject.
I found your views as a heterosexual man interesting though I imagined that sitting on another man's shoulders would be preferable to carrying another man.
The only man I know who pursues this activity regularly is a gay man but I basically assumed that the sensations and the implied domination of another male would have more appeal to a heterosexual man as well.
it did occur to me that barring some erotic clothing, that the carrier being unable to see the person sitting on him might simply resign himself to his task as being in the submissive position regardless of gender. Based on your reply, I understand that this would not apply to you.
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