Ultimate shoulder rides

Being a Frenchman that you are, Equidum, you probably know much about Jean Paul Sartre who said basically that we all have  the choice between one consequence versus another except that we all must die. I agree with him. Also, it is my understanding that in most countries nowadays, non-consensual slavery is against the law. Therefore, I suspect that the shoulder-ridee has a choice. I would refuse to wear a bridle and bit or be at the end of a whip. But it would be fun to have had daughters that liked to shoulder ride me at their commands as their pony. They would be allowed to yell, "Giddy-up, Daddy!"  but prohibited from using violence or calling me disrespectful names. I would do this for most gals I love and adore if this were not so taboo among so many, subject to my rule that they shoulder-carry somebody too, of course. Regarding dominant and submissive personalities, I and other people have dominant and submissive moods. I agree with you that  many when shoulder-carrying are submitting at the time and many shoulder-riding at the time are dominating.

Some have no respect for submission. We could not even drive safely on the highways without submission.

And a few more word about daughters riding their fathers ... I have two daughters and one son... The son didn't really fancy shoulder-riding, but his two sisters loved it .... Guess what ... I was very often ridden in the charming way you describe in your mail ... but around 12 years old, they both stopped riding their father ... And, loking around, I observe that most girls discontinue riding adults around that age, or even before ... Why ? I thought  that 10/12 yo girls suddenly saw SR as a childish game, and as they wanted to be, look, behave ... as grown-up young girls, they didn't fancy SR any longer .... But I also wonder whether there wouldn't be some sexual reason ... These young girls would discover the physically erotic dimension of shoulder-ride, and, logically, wouldn't want to make it with their father any longer .... Any comment from the feminine members of this board ?

Equidum

Hi, Sam


Well, servitude, in my books mean slavery, as it comes from the latin "servus" which was the correct word for "slave" when Julius Caesar ruled the World ....

And "l'enfer c'est les autres" means, litterally and word for word : " The hell, it is the other(s) ...

As regards voluntary servitude, it is quite possible, imho, in those countries who forbid "unvoluntary slavery", like the USA, whose XIII th amendment explicitely condemns UNVOLUNTARY slavery, thus implicitely allowing voluntary servitude. In France, Liberty has been decreed "inalienable" .... So, if people using slaves were reported to the police, they could be sued at least for violation of labour law and tax fraud. The slaveholder might also be charged with sequestration, violence .... well a lot of unpleasant issues.

A few such cases have been taken to court these past 5 years in France, involving African residents who had "brought" young girls from their country. These girls were really used as slaves, at least according to what they claimed, working on a 16 hours a day basis, 365 days a year. But they had initially agreed to come to France and serve the family. The family was condemned to back-tax payment though, and, I believe to a suspended prison sentence .... Now, I think that ACTUAL voluntary slavery cases are never taken to court, as both parties certainly concur to keep it underground, whatever happens! 

Equidum

You're right, Frederik, ponyplay is at its best when the rider knows the rules of riding, and when Her pony understands the orders given by Her heels, thighs, reins and crop .... A ride in these conditions is wonderful to watch, and, more importantly, a truely pleasurable experience for the rider. For the ridee too, but that is less important imho ....

Equidum

I have another clip of Mistress Bijou, but it is a big one ! I started uploading it to Rapidshare, but I stopped as it seems to take ages to upload !!! Does anyone know how I could split it ?
This being said, I agree She is a perfect rider, including the use of Her crop : She hardly "touches" Her mount's skin, She doesn't really hit him, She never is uselessly cruel ........ A great rider and a fine mount !

Equidum

I know riding-mistress Bijou because she is living quite close to me.
I cannot say that she is rude or mean.
You forget about all that, that there are crowds of males who are longing for an extrene and cruel treatment and if they are asking for that, Mistress Bijou is giving that to them.
It is up to the male what he wants and if he wants to have it the hard way, he will get it.
Those who want to get ridden by her can tell her how they like it and it is up to her if she will agree.
Having riding lessons under her, she usually does ist only in a clear and strict way and after my opinion this is quite okay and I fully respect her decisions.
Having talked and discussed with her I always found her very well sophisticated with very reasonable opinions and indeed she is dominant.
Males who love to be her slaves are treated like slaves and they all pay a lot of money for that.
Those who want to get ridden by her get a good riding lesson and I accept and respect that she is never kidding.
As a person she is charming and it is a pleasure to discuss with her.
And so I like her very much because she is not onyl playing a game as most other women who make money with all that.
In the end I think it is a matter of taste if you like her or not.

Nice vid to post up! I like the whole dominating aspect of it!! : )

I had never heard of Stacy Westfall , thanks Sam, for the info .... I watched Her on Youtube, and I have to admit it's really amazing, to see how She can effectively "drive" He horse without the usual equipment. Now, that riding style is, as all others, totally based on domination/submission ... I wouldn't mind at all to be ridden that way, if only because it would take hours and hours of patient dressage both for the rider and for me to undestand each other! And , more importantly, riding would still be a Mistress/slave relation, with a nice Mistress and a smart slave perhaps, but still Mistress/slave !!!!

Equidum

http://www.erotik-kompass.de/foren/03/ 

There is a link to a German site, but ist is only in German.
As we Germans have no problems to speak at least 2 foreign languages, for most of the foreigners it is impossible to speak only a single word in German.
Anything in that Forum is therefore in German.

Nevertheless I never paid any cent Mistress Bijou, because she is an excellent and real rider of horses and she is extremely successful.
Being a riding instructor I can estimate her abilities and so I am more than glad beeing her human horse.
Quite different to most women who pretend to be real riders and who know nothing about riding, she knows how far and how hard she can go.
And therefore I just can underline hat Mistress is Bijou is an outstanding lady who knows what she wants and who is not playing some theatre for paying clients as  it is mostly usual.

frederik wrote:

As we Germans have no problems to speak at least 2 foreign languages, for most of the foreigners it is impossible to speak only a single word in German.
Anything in that Forum is therefore in German.

I know what you mean. We have the exact same problem in Sweden. Hardly any foreigner, especially Germans, can speak a single word Swedish...

equidum wrote:

I had never heard of Stacy Westfall , thanks Sam, for the info .... I watched Her on Youtube, and I have to admit it's really amazing, to see how She can effectively "drive" He horse without the usual equipment. Now, that riding style is, as all others, totally based on domination/submission ... I wouldn't mind at all to be ridden that way, if only because it would take hours and hours of patient dressage both for the rider and for me to undestand each other! And , more importantly, riding would still be a Mistress/slave relation, with a nice Mistress and a smart slave perhaps, but still Mistress/slave !!!!

Equidum

Liz and Hong, how do you feel about the "horse" being your "slave." Do you expect to be obeyed when you shoulder ride?  If the "horse" obeys, is the "horse" being your slave?  Or are your attitudes such that however the "horse" sees it is fine with you as long as you get nice shoulder rides and the "horse" takes you where you want to be taken to?

Equidum, if I give a gal a nice shoulder ride at her command with no violence from either of us and no riding tack used on a horse, am I being her slave or a sweetie?

What do you think, ladies?  Whatever the "horse" wants to hear as long as you get nice shoulder rides?

Hi Friends,

I don't remember shoulder rides on my father, although perhaps I had some when I was a baby.  My interest developed in school and summer camp. I enjoyed riding other kids and camp counselors.  Riding the counselors was especially interesting because as a natural athlete I was instinctively well balanced, securely mounted, and not scared, and I soon began to notice that certain counselors seemed especially interested in giving me a lot of rides, in the pool or between my bunkhouse and the mess hall, with lots of motion, so I instinctively gripped with my legs.  It really felt good to me, and apparently they felt the same way. The erotic aspect of riding was quite clear by then, and became even clearer with some cheerleaders in high school and college, from whom I got lots of great rides. It was also at camp where I began riding horses (the regular large ones with tails) bareback.  That's lots of fun too.

Sam, there's a small, free program for splitting and reconnecting large files, that a friend sent me so that I could see some big video clips.  It's called HJ-Split.exe and its main screen shows the URL of the site from which it can be downloaded: www.freebyte.com .  It's very easy to use.

About your other question:  Even though I'm not into domination as such, I've always liked to work out nonverbal signals to direct a human horse, to control direction and speed.  That's a big plus for any frequent chickenfight partnership, because I can look around and see things my horse can't while I'm riding.  It's one of the reasons I tend to win chicken fights unless my horse is tripped.  Your question reminded me of a particular swimming counselor at camp who made horse noises and pretended to be my horse, which encouraged me to ride him using leg signals similar to the ones I learned to use on real horses.

Liz

RidingBlonde wrote:

Hi Friends,

I don't remember shoulder rides on my father, although perhaps I had some when I was a baby.  My interest developed in school and summer camp. I enjoyed riding other kids and camp counselors.  Riding the counselors was especially interesting because as a natural athlete I was instinctively well balanced, securely mounted, and not scared, and I soon began to notice that certain counselors seemed especially interested in giving me a lot of rides, in the pool or between my bunkhouse and the mess hall, with lots of motion, so I instinctively gripped with my legs.  It really felt good to me, and apparently they felt the same way. The erotic aspect of riding was quite clear by then, and became even clearer with some cheerleaders in high school and college, from whom I got lots of great rides. It was also at camp where I began riding horses (the regular large ones with tails) bareback.  That's lots of fun too.

Sam, there's a small, free program for splitting and reconnecting large files, that a friend sent me so that I could see some big video clips.  It's called HJ-Split.exe and its main screen shows the URL of the site from which it can be downloaded: www.freebyte.com .  It's very easy to use.

About your other question:  Even though I'm not into domination as such, I've always liked to work out nonverbal signals to direct a human horse, to control direction and speed.  That's a big plus for any frequent chickenfight partnership, because I can look around and see things my horse can't while I'm riding.  It's one of the reasons I tend to win chicken fights unless my horse is tripped.  Your question reminded me of a particular swimming counselor at camp who made horse noises and pretended to be my horse, which encouraged me to ride him using leg signals similar to the ones I learned to use on real horses.

Liz

On the one hand you are "not into domination as such." On the other hand it is Roger's "job" to carry you on his shoulders while your job is to carry the umbrella and you have "always liked to work out nonverbal signals to direct a human horse, to control direction and speed." So you do like to command and control your "horse."  You like for your base to be your "horse." All whom you shoulder ride you refer to as your "horse."

"Domination" can be defined as to rule over another or to command and control another. Based on this definition you like to dominate.

But, you do not like to dominate "as such."  I think what you mean without saying is that you love to dominate in a non-cruel and non-degrading manner which means more specifically that you like to direct your "horse" with non-verbal signals as I believe you did while shoulder riding your camp counselor between the pool and bunk house and you stated that you did while chicken fighting but you want your "horse" to at least wear a swimsuit and not bit, bridle, saddle, etc., or be under a whip or spurs.

Also, you have never used the word, "slave." So the one you shoulder ride is not your "slave." This person is your  "dear horse" because in another posting you expressed appreciation to "all you dear horses." Afterall, the Camp Counselor that was your "horse" obeyed your non-verbal signals but at other times when you were not shoulder riding this "dear horse" he still carried the authority of a Camp Counselor and with such authority he could not be a "slave."   So if I ever shoulder carry you, I will not be your "slave," I will be one of your "dear horses."

Of course, I would enthusiastically obey your non-verbal commands to control speed and direction (submit to your non-degrading and non-cruel domination) to indulge you like a princess so that I would be behaving as a REAL MAN because REAL MEN know that a guy's superior size and strength is not for subjugating or abusing a gal but for protecting her always and other wise serving and pleasing her when she is being kind and considerate.

Do I understand you correctly, Coach? Do I get an "A" for learning correctly?

Also, if I ever meet you and you are being considerate and kind, may indulge you like a princess?

Hong, may I do the same for you if we ever meet? Please communicate again. We miss you.

I think all three of us would have had a lot of fun if you had been my daughters (and princesses as all daughters should be to fathers.  Fathers can be "dear horses.") I have a younger but stronger and sweet (as gals would call him) brother that was a wonderful "horse" to girls that visited us so both you gals would have shoulder ridden much. My wife likes him a lot too.

Liz, at what age do you remember your first shoulder ride. This would be a story of great interest to most of us.

You too, Hong.

You too, all you other ladies.

Es ist schwer Deutsch zu lernen, aber nicht unmöglich.

Shoulder riding should not include domination of any kind-top class riders of horses(equine variety) do not dominate,they work with their horse-building a raport and trust.
This is what we must try do -it wil take a lot of time and effort on both sides-one of the ultimate tests is to blindfold your pony-then ride him over ground he is not used to-if all goes well, you have achieved  a considerable and notable satisfaction.Believe me it is possible.
It will take time-a lot of it-but the satisfaction wow.

namaegaaru wrote:

RidingBlonde wrote:

Hi Friends,

I don't remember shoulder rides on my father, although perhaps I had some when I was a baby.  My interest developed in school and summer camp. I enjoyed riding other kids and camp counselors.  Riding the counselors was especially interesting because as a natural athlete I was instinctively well balanced, securely mounted, and not scared, and I soon began to notice that certain counselors seemed especially interested in giving me a lot of rides, in the pool or between my bunkhouse and the mess hall, with lots of motion, so I instinctively gripped with my legs.  It really felt good to me, and apparently they felt the same way. The erotic aspect of riding was quite clear by then, and became even clearer with some cheerleaders in high school and college, from whom I got lots of great rides. It was also at camp where I began riding horses (the regular large ones with tails) bareback.  That's lots of fun too.

Sam, there's a small, free program for splitting and reconnecting large files, that a friend sent me so that I could see some big video clips.  It's called HJ-Split.exe and its main screen shows the URL of the site from which it can be downloaded: www.freebyte.com .  It's very easy to use.

About your other question:  Even though I'm not into domination as such, I've always liked to work out nonverbal signals to direct a human horse, to control direction and speed.  That's a big plus for any frequent chickenfight partnership, because I can look around and see things my horse can't while I'm riding.  It's one of the reasons I tend to win chicken fights unless my horse is tripped.  Your question reminded me of a particular swimming counselor at camp who made horse noises and pretended to be my horse, which encouraged me to ride him using leg signals similar to the ones I learned to use on real horses.

Liz

On the one hand you are "not into domination as such." On the other hand it is Roger's "job" to carry you on his shoulders while your job is to carry the umbrella and you have "always liked to work out nonverbal signals to direct a human horse, to control direction and speed." So you do like to command and control your "horse."  You like for your base to be your "horse." All whom you shoulder ride you refer to as your "horse."

"Domination" can be defined as to rule over another or to command and control another. Based on this definition you like to dominate.

But, you do not like to dominate "as such."  I think what you mean without saying is that you love to dominate in a non-cruel and non-degrading manner which means more specifically that you like to direct your "horse" with non-verbal signals as I believe you did while shoulder riding your camp counselor between the pool and bunk house and you stated that you did while chicken fighting but you want your "horse" to at least wear a swimsuit and not bit, bridle, saddle, etc., or be under a whip or spurs.

Also, you have never used the word, "slave." So the one you shoulder ride is not your "slave." This person is your  "dear horse" because in another posting you expressed appreciation to "all you dear horses." Afterall, the Camp Counselor that was your "horse" obeyed your non-verbal signals but at other times when you were not shoulder riding this "dear horse" he still carried the authority of a Camp Counselor and with such authority he could not be a "slave."   So if I ever shoulder carry you, I will not be your "slave," I will be one of your "dear horses."

Of course, I would enthusiastically obey your non-verbal commands to control speed and direction (submit to your non-degrading and non-cruel domination) to indulge you like a princess so that I would be behaving as a REAL MAN because REAL MEN know that a guy's superior size and strength is not for subjugating or abusing a gal but for protecting her always and other wise serving and pleasing her when she is being kind and considerate.

Do I understand you correctly, Coach? Do I get an "A" for learning correctly?

Also, if I ever meet you and you are being considerate and kind, may indulge you like a princess?

Hong, may I do the same for you if we ever meet? Please communicate again. We miss you.

I think all three of us would have had a lot of fun if you had been my daughters (and princesses as all daughters should be to fathers.  Fathers can be "dear horses.") I have a younger but stronger and sweet (as gals would call him) brother that was a wonderful "horse" to girls that visited us so both you gals would have shoulder ridden much. My wife likes him a lot too.

Liz, at what age do you remember your first shoulder ride. This would be a story of great interest to most of us.

You too, Hong.

You too, all you other ladies.

After all my experiencs with riders (all of them were female) I found out that most of them were a litte shy at the beginning and most of them even excused for their weight.
But after a certain time of accomodation ( 10 minutes or so) most ofg them became more and more dominant and started to behave like a a rider on a horse.
As longer as they sat on my neck and shoulders the more they became dominant and after my opinion this kind of riding does only work if a rider behaves like a rider and if the human pony is more treated like a horse than like a human being.
Carrying an adult lady or girl on my shoulders I have no time to discuss because it is real hard work and so I am really glad if the commands are given to me by the rider. She sits up and she can decide what she wants and most of my riders confirmed to me that thee was no grat difference for them between a horse rided and a ride on me.
In both cases the rider has to feel and to know how far and how strict she can  go and experienced riders always have a quite feeling how far they can go.
But as longer such a ride takes, the more the human pony will be considered as a slave by his rider.
I think this is quite normal and natural.
Finally it is always the rider who makes the rules and not the pony.

I will use more options to limit a ridress's sadistic behavior than a horse can or will. Remember that, Ridresses, even if one of you is successful in getting me to wear a tail. But, yes, Ladies, I believe us guys are your natural human horses because we love you and love to pamper and please you when you are kind and appreciative. As Confucius said, rule yourselves well Ladies, and you will rule us guys well too.

I'd like to express my gratitude to Riding Blonde for Her smart answer on bdsm riding ..... The text is so cleverly, so artistically chiseled that everyone will be happy with it ... Even Sam ! Even me ! With all my heart, Madame, please allow me to thank You and congratulate You for being both so clear and so diplomatic, which, per se is a real prowess !!

You are not in "domination as such", but You implicitely tell us that You enjoy "controlling, directing" Your "horse", and You 're perfectly right, if You want to optimize the erotic content of Your ride, or win Your chicken fight, or improve the speed of Your ride, or make it last as long as required .... You certainly don't wish to whip Your mount, probably because You don't find it erotic, and again, You're right, but You want to obtain from Your mount exactly what You wish, and certainly nothing less.... Is Your mount Your slave ? In most cases, it is the mount who fantasizes to be a slave, and You would certainly agree to let him believe You are his Mistress, but, You wouldn't change anything in Your usual behaviour though .... Well, Madame, I hink You would make Sam happy, and You would make me happy too, if You granted us the privilege to be Your "horse", despite our different ideas on riding! To make Sam TOTALLY hapy, You should perhaps kiss him at the end of Your ride and say "Thanks Sam". To make me TOTALLY happy, You would just dismount and go. If this was Your "bon plaisir"

Again, merci,

Equidum

Sam- you as an NSMD/S switch are an extremely difficult animal to quantify -if not impossible-I think in your case
you might want consider getting a little help to overcome some of your problems-perhaps a large MAC with fries would help.

Talking of England .... "All the world's a stage, and all men and women merely players "...said great William ! And Sam, you mention several parts which you've played in your lifetime, a lieutenant, a father, a teacher ... Great ! In all these parts, you've got to implement interpersonal skills, leadership, or management ability, which indeed work best when done in a polite, firm and kind manner. But we're usually talking here of completely different parts, either riders or ridees, which are of a completely different NATURE ! I'm sure you never sat on your pupils, nor were ridden by US sailors ....! In ponyplay games, rules are a lot simpler: One of the two players endures, the other enjoys.. The one who suffers does it either because he is forced, and then he is a victim of a sadistic person, or because he loves it, and then he is a maso. The one who enjoys is a sadistic person ONLY if Her pleasure derives from the suffering inflicted. Otherwise, She is a "normal" person, enjoying a nice game, where She happens to have the better part.....

Is it possible to be both a maso and a sadistic person, a switch of sort ? I don't think so. At least, one of the two roles must be preferred versus the other. But I can't demonstrate 

Equidum

Sam-That is most interesting-so you allow your rider to dominate you. The lesser force dominates the greater-to the greaters satisfaction-Interesting.
Does the same apply to our equine friends-does the rider dominate or is it a partnership.
The most successful relationships are partnerships as can be seen on numerous occasions between humans and animals.
With us humans the same applies-the best marriages employ a lot give and take.
Riding should be the same-control if necessary-persuasion is better-lasts longer and the results are infinalty better all round.
Ask Liz.

Good-we are agreed-shoulder riding is a partnership and as such should be treated with respect.

I think this should be written in to our rules in large letters.

Again as with all good things in life it is free.

Here endith the first lesson.