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What is your favorite place to have a shoulder ride
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the farm
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What is your favorite place to have a shoulder ride
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give someone a shoulder ride
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a Big Place like Beach or Jungle may be...where in I am just a beast of Burden carrying my female rider.
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In the park or on a wooded trail
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I agree with Ajax,a park or wooded area is ideal.As nearly all my riders were heavier than myself,I found that a park bench or seat was an ideal mounting place for my riders.Also,a wood or forest contains either tree stumps or fallen tree trunks-again,ideal mounting places!A good example is the New Forest,England.Lots of fallen trees!
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Hotel so both could get aked.
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any place and time that my female rider wants, but I have a preference for concerts, music festivals where she can, besides dancing a lot without worrying about me, of course, having a privileged view ...
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is your gmail still active? long time, haven't heard from you.
ali2121 wrote:
I agree with Ajax,a park or wooded area is ideal.As nearly all my riders were heavier than myself,I found that a park bench or seat was an ideal mounting place for my riders.Also,a wood or forest contains either tree stumps or fallen tree trunks-again,ideal mounting places!A good example is the New Forest,England.Lots of fallen trees!
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In the woods along a forest trail or path , on an obedient carrier who keeps his head down so I can sit forward comfortably and is really willing to carry me until he drops. I don't want him to fall but I want him to be willing to carry me until he simply can't anymore.
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Audreyb,
With you mounted, how long would you expect your mount to be able to last before not being able to continue anymore due to fatigue?
~ Jay
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JayRey8585:
I can't answer that because it depends on the carrier.
I sat on my ex husband's shoulders while he carried me for nearly an hour on a path that had some hills he had to climb. But he was quite muscular and weighed 100 lbs more than I did at the time. He was showing off and I was testing him so I wouldn't let him rest or let him put me down. He also didn't keep his head down the whole time as I prefer and demand of carriers now.
If my carrier was an average man in good condition and I was sitting forward on his neck, I think perhaps a half hour on level ground would probably be his limits. I weigh 10 lbs. more than I did when I was on my ex husband and I don't know if that would be a factor. Perhaps weather could also be a factor.
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Audreyb,,
For an average guy, once you get close to hitting that 30 minute mark, would you stop him and dismount to give him a break before mounting to keep going or be done with your ride completely?
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JayRey8585:
I think 30 minutes would be the average man's limits under the conditions I mentioned but I wouldn't necessarily ride him that long continuously assuming I wasn't testing him or punishing him. I usually like to enjoy looking at views of scenery and wildlife . So normally I would halt a carrier without dismounting at several points and while I would still be sitting on him, he would get to partially rest his legs while just standing for a few minutes .
But no matter how willing a carrier is to serve me, or if I want to test him or punish him, riding him until he collapses from the strain wouldn't be a good idea or policy.
I have to consider my own safety and if he fell flat, I couldn't be certain that I would land on him and cushion the fall. That happened once , but it was because the carrier tripped and it was in my living room rather than the forest. He was trying to hold my legs and his hands couldn't break his fall. Fortunately I got my knees out of the way and landed on him and it was on a carpeted floor so all he received was a nose bleed and a carpet burn but of course the wind was knocked out of him from our weight landing on him.
If I was by chance to ride on a carrier's shoulders until he was completely exhausted , I would of course dismount and let him rest, as much for my safety as his and I don't want him to die under me. I would let him rest until he recovered enough to carry me at least back to the place we started from. I don't think I should have to walk when someone willingly agrees or submits to carrying me.
I would let him rest to recover for 10 to 15 minutes but I would insist on being carried and allowed to sit on his shoulders in a comfortable position . I would let him stop and rest because it's probable that he would tire more quickly and I may even dismount at some point of the return trip. But I would be carried back to where we started. I would insist on that.
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Audreyb,
Yep, I understand the safety side of riding until your human mount is exhausted and what can happen.
My question was answered in your third paragraph.
I’m a firefighter in a big city, so staying in shape is a requirement to be able to met the physical demands of the job at a busy firehouse. With that said, if I was your carrier (hypothetically) and you were going to take me out for a ride on a wooded trail:
1. Would you tell me (the carrier) that you were going to ride me up to exhaustion?
2. Would you talk to your carrier during your ride?
3. When you dismount and rest him, what do you do during that time in this scenario?
4. When you’re ready to continue riding and you feel I have had a sufficient break, what do you say to get a carrier back into a position to be mounted?
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JayRey8585:
#1-I must assume that we would have talked and covered our expectations.
I would have already been sitting on your shoulders before attempting any sort of long ride anywhere to make certain you that you were initially capable of the task.
#2-Whether I talk to the carrier or not depends on whether I find him interesting, if I feel like talking and if I generally like him or not. I must of course give directions from time to time but if he's a dull person in general, I may not want to hear him chatting all day while I'm trying to enjoy the tranquility of the forest.
#3- When I dismount and rest him, I'll find a dry place to sit and probably check my phone. I would keep an eye on him to see if he is recovering and if he is rested enough to continue. 15 minutes of rest should be enough and I found that resting him to long tends to cause a tired man to become more stiff rather than less so.
#4-I don't have a specific command to continue the ride. I often just turn my back to the carrier, part my legs to allow his head to fit between and sit down on his neck and shoulders while he lifts me in the manner he chooses. I expect a carrier to be still be a little tired if it was a long ride, so he might strain or even falter when he's lifting me again.
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Audreyb,
How do you handle a carrier that talks to much or that might join your conversations that you’re having with another rider while riding?
Do you ride with your feet tucked behind the carrier or out in front with the carrier holding your feet with his hands like stirrups?
What’s the longest you have ever ridden a human mount? (Rest periods included)
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JayRey8585:
I might quiet a chatty carrier in any number of ways. I might remind him that he is a horse and horses don't talk. I may demand that he shut up or emphasize my displeasure with a light kick. I have only had that problem once and the other rider I was with quieted my carrier with a threat.
I change sitting positions a few times during the ride but I rarely tuck my feet behind the carrier Sometimes I have him support my feet with his hands and sometimes I have him cross his arms and hold my feet against the lower part of his chest. I find that tucking my feet behind his back feels unstable and requires me to sit back so my weight is on my thighs rather than my bottom and I'm not really sitting on his shoulders but rather hanging off them.
I'm not certain which ride was the longest. I think a companion and I were out for 4 hours including several rest periods, riding stopping and dismounting for various reasons. Some of the periods of riding were over 30 minutes and some perhaps 5 to 10 minutes. My partner decided on when to stop and what directions to take since they were his carriers and we were on a private estate. The carriers were quite tired at the end and the one I was sitting on was sort of limping the last half mile or so.
I don't think I would have enjoyed walking the distances we covered that day even with rest periods.
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Audreyb,
With all that’s been said about you renting a donkey and your various adventures upon a human donkey, compare the differences between the both from a riders perspective and which ones are easier to ride?! This is a loaded question, I know!
If you would rather chat one-on-one let me know. You are a respectable person and I love getting your opinions! (In case you haven’t noticed!)
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JayRey8585:
I have been on guy's shoulders a lot of times but I don't think I'm as experienced as you may think I am.
I have only taken up shoulder ridings as an activity in itself for just over three years and in that time I have been on about 12 outings ,perhaps 13 or 14 if you count short outings.
Prior to my friend inviting me on my first actual ride on carriers designed for the purpose, sitting on someone's shoulders was part of some other activity like chicken fights as a teenager, cheerleading, concerts or parades etc. Even when I demanded that my ex husband (before we were married) carry me on his shoulders on that hike I mentioned , it was a combination of testing him and punishing him for misbehaving rather than just for my enjoyment.
Two of the men I date regularly like carrying me on their backs in the all fours manner and after a few outings with my friend on his carriers, I gravitated to having these two men carry me on their shoulders , mostly inside my house or my back yard.
I have considered taking the one who insists that he's my "Slave"
into the woods near where I live, but he's about 50 years old and I'm concerned about how far he could walk in those woods with me sitting on him.
I have only been on a donkey twice and the first time it was just like riding a horse without a saddle. Most of that was a trail ride , so all I did was sit on him and he followed the tail of the donkey in front of him. I only kicked him when he lagged behind a few times and he was quite comfortable.
It was that second little beast that gave me all the trouble and discomfort from the moment I sat on him.
Only one human carrier was ever a serious problem and he wasn't nearly as much a problem as the four legged donkey.
To compare the two, and keeping in mind that I wasn't dressed at all for riding the stubborn real donkey, if I had spurred the human carrier with my heels as hard as I did the real donkey, I probably would have injured him.
Of course as I explained, It wasn't possible to use the spike heels of my shoes on the real donkey as I could have on the human carrier because of the difference in the side of their chests.
To compare the two fairly I would have to be dressed the same and under comparable positions. When I got the real donkey to move, it was a smoother ride than on the human carrier and when the real donkey was just standing still, he was more comfortable to sit on than the human carrier's shoulders were.
I can only imagine that the reverse would be true if I were sitting on the human carrier's back in the all fours position because I wouldn't have to spread my thighs as wide . No need to say that a riding a human carrier on all fours for such distances would be impractical and impossible.
Obviously I do have to consider the humanity of a human carrier , and think of the donkey as rented property involving a service I paid for with the expectation that I may use such means as I feel are required to fulfill those expectations.
But over all, if I were to make a choice between riding a human carrier or a donkey, I would prefer sitting on an obedient man's shoulders rather than a donkey's back.
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Audreyb,
Let’s compare the donkey versus a human horse (carrier) that is owned or rented with a language barrier between you and him.
• How you treat a rented donkey the same in this case as you would treat a rented human carrier or still completely different?
• How do you communicate with someone that doesn’t understand what you’re saying or asking when mounted on him?
• What tack would you pick to ride a rented donkey with?
(•• Bit w/ reins; spurs; saddle; stirrups; crop;)
• What tack would you pick to ride on a rented human carrier?
(•• Bit w/ reins; spurs; saddle or something to sit on that secures to his shoulders; stirrups; crop; or anything I missed)
• How long (miles, minutes or both) does a perfect ride on a trail last on both a donkey and rented human carrier in your opinion as their rider and someone in control of both of them?
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JayRey8585:
Your questions amuse me but they also make me think sometimes.
#1. Assuming that renting a human carrier was possible, I would treat the human very much the same as any beast of burden. His (I prefer male carriers) purpose and function would be to carry me in a position I would be comfortable in for a prescribed distance and possibly in a certain time frame. I would have certain but reasonable expectations of value vs cost just as I would with a real donkey, a rented vehicle or one of my employees. A rented human carrier would be treated as my property for the duration of the rental agreement and his lot in life would be to serve his riders within reasonable expectations.
#2.Since a human carrier would likely be accustomed to his role. he would certainly know how to position himself for me to sit on him. From that point simply pointing in the direction I wish to go and a slight kick to his flanks to start walking should be sufficient to communicate and pulling back on his head, ears or reins would be universally understood to mean stop. I would expect a human to be slower than a donkey of course and if I wanted him to move faster a few sharper kicks on his flanks would be understood to increase his speed. Pushing his head forward and downward would be accompanied by my weight moving forward on his neck but may require several pushes to get him to understand that he must keep looking downward.
I don't think language would be a barrier since a donkey obviously wouldn't understand either and pointing wouldn't mean anything to a donkey.
#3.With a real donkey I would prefer a bit and reins and possibly stirrups if he was tall. I might want a crop if I expected anything like the evil little beast I rode on that Island.
#4. With a human carrier I would prefer a bit a reins. I doubt I would want or need spurs but a crop may help with communication. I don't find saddles helpful except on a real horse and I would feel more secure sitting directly on a human carrier.
Sitting on a saddle strapped on his shoulders wouldn't feel secure to me and I would feel like I was luggage rather than a rider.
#5. The ride on either would be the distance and time that I expect or require.
I would normally rest a human carrier more frequently than a donkey , though I would expect a human that was rented as you say, to be more practiced and have more endurance than the carriers I normally ride. I would dismount the human carrier for rest periods but probably remain seated on the donkey.
My safety would require that a human carrier rest freely for 5 minutes after about 20 minutes of carrying me.
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Audreyb,
I’m glad I can amuse you! Ha.
What is your opinion as to why you are harder on a donkey when riding versus a willing human mount? You have referenced one of your human carriers and said he wants to be your slave. Why would you not treat him the same way as you do a donkey and not care in the slightest how it feels to him or his emotions?
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JayRey8585:
Because a human is a human. I don't really care very much about what a human carrier feels but he does have a choice and a non-human doesn't unless human slavery were to become legal.
If I was riding a donkey and he died while I was sitting on him , the worse repercussion for me would be that I would have to walk. A donkey is just property like a car or a bicycle .
But a human carrier dying while serving me would result in an investigation and possibly become newsworthy . Even if "renting" a human carrier were possible such a carrier would have at least to some degree have chosen that line of work and could choose another . The man who insists that he's my 'slave' isn't my property in reality and he could refuse to serve me with the only real punishment being that I wouldn't see him anymore. Since he's not a lover and willingly serves me as a carrier and several other capacities I would simply dismiss him. I allow him to serve me but I don't care at all about his feeling or his reasons.
On my first "official"(?) trail ride with my friend, my carrier was a gay man who didn't like carrying a woman and only submitted to the task because my friend would have dismissed him from his stable if he refused. But he did have a choice and he was only my friend's property because he chose to be and allowed himself to be.
I mentioned a walking tour I was on in Mexico many years ago where I ruined a pair of expensive shoes and hurt my feet keeping up with the tour. A man in my tour group seriously suggested the idea of paying one of the native peons to carry him on his shoulders. He didn't follow through on this but with my feet in pain and my shoes becoming ruined, I seriously considered following his lead. I was much lighter than he was and well beyond and concern about what anyone else would think about me sitting on a peon's shoulders because my feet were in pain.
But imagining the extreme scenario of riding a man vs a donkey. If a donkey dropped dead beneath me, he is hauled away to be disposed of as trash or possibly sold as pet food and his hide is tanned for leather.
A human carrier may still have friends and family who will miss him.
I may not (and really don't) care about the emotions, feelings or often even the pain of a human carrier, but I can't dismiss him as a human completely.
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Audreyb:
I became your nr 1 fan! Since my bestfriend sister introdused me into soulder riding pleasure, Ive allways enjoyed when the woman rider didnt concerned about my fatigue or stamina. For me the main pleasure is to feel used, to be an inferior toy for a powerful woman who is aware of the dinamic between us. I had many riders, but only few used me to exhaution with no concern to my state.
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Audreyb,
“#1. Assuming that renting a human carrier was possible, I would treat the human very much the same as any beast of burden. His (I prefer male carriers) purpose and function would be to carry me in a position I would be comfortable in for a prescribed distance and possibly in a certain time frame. I would have certain but reasonable expectations of value vs cost just as I would with a real donkey, a rented vehicle or one of my employees. A rented human carrier would be treated as my property for the duration of the rental agreement and his lot in life would be to serve his riders within reasonable expectations.“
I read again (above quote) your response to me from the other day. What would be a prescribed distance or amount of time for this scenario?
What would be your expectations for the said rented carrier?
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JayRey8585:
I don't know how I could elaborate on my reply.
I might assume and expect a carrier that was rented had carried many riders before me and was condition to the task. I might also assume that at least some of the women and men who sat on his shoulders were heavier than I am and I wouldn't be an excessive burden.
As such, I would naturally expect a little more out of him as a "professional" (so to speak) than I would out of a hobbyist carrier. I would follow the prescribed rules of the contract made with the business that rented the carrier to me including rest periods etc. out of respect for the proprietors interest.
However, just as if he were a rented vehicle, horse or donkey, I would treat him as if he were my property from the moment I sit on him until the end of the rental.
I would expect a reasonable pace and to be comfortable on him as well as feeling secure . Normally I would expect a hobbyist carrier to walk at about 1 mile per hour , so I would expect the already conditioned rented carrier to cover about 2 miles per hour on average ground. I would probably use the riding crop sparingly if I felt he was slacking off.
But since I would have no feelings at all about a rented carrier as I might with a carrier I knew , he would be nothing more than a vehicle for my use and deserving of no more consideration from me than a seat in a theater or a chair in a restaurant would. Yes, he is human, but for me his function is all that matters.
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ralf:
You obviously have masochistic urges. Please don't be offended by my words as I don't mean them to be offensive and several of the men I see regularly are also masochists and I accept whatever a person's nature is.
Each person pursues any activity (in this case shoulder riding) according to their own perception. If I feel superior sitting on your shoulders and enjoy feeling superior, it's just as reasonable for you to enjoy feeling abused or inferior beneath me.
Neither my feelings or yours need be important to the other. You may express those feelings or keep them to yourself. What each person thinks, feels or enjoys and to what degree should only really matter to that person alone.
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Audreyb,
What you said makes complete sense.
If you were to have rented a human carrier on a trip, like when you rented a donkey for eight hours, would you still walk have the rented carrier Walk up hills (like the donkey had to) to get to a shop?
If you were wanting to shop and their was hitching posts, would you dismount and tie him up, go shop and then return and mount him?
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JayRey8585:
I can't see any reason not to have a rented carrier carry me up hill just like that horrible little donkey did. A carrier would be a vehicle to transport me just as the donkey was and I might possibly be less forgiving of a human carrier than I was of the donkey since the donkey's stubbornness was part of his nature and didn't have the intelligence to know it was a battle of wills.
A rented human carrier would be required to take me anywhere I chose.
I can't imagine why I would have to tie a man to a hitching post. Even if he didn't understand my language he couldn't be stupid enough not to understand that I expected him to wait outside the shop.
I also wouldn't expect to need help to sit on him again as I did with the donkey.
I think if I rented a human carrier my view of him and my expectations would be different than the man that I ride on most often (the one who wants to be my slave)
because beyond riding on his shoulders and back, he does work for me around my house and we have a relationship. That relationship may be strange, but while I see him as inferior to me, I regard him as a human.
A rented carrier would only exist to serve me for the purpose of the rental.
I would be aware that it was a human that I was sitting on, but if he dropped over dead at the end of the rental period, it would mean nothing to me.
I don't mean to be cruel, but to me he would just be a stranger who died and no personal loss to me.
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Audreyb,
Can I send you my email and then delete it on this form?
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JayRey8585:
You may do so, but I rarely correspond by Email and I won't promise anything. I use forums like this to express my thoughts and opinions semi-anonymously with people with similar views and are hopefully nonjudgmental.
I don't think I need to tell you that discussing some of these things honestly is problematic in casual conversations.
I also found that men who correspond with me almost invariably want me to construct fantasies for them or what to meet me. I don't like writing fantasies and I never meet anyone that I encounter on line. I have good reason for avoiding the latter.
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@Audreyb,
I completely understand your stance and I’m the same way!
Just would like to get your opinions without hijacking a thread - if that makes sense?!
I believe you can email me directly when you click on my profile name in the forum. Thanks!
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Audreyb,
I’m still waiting! Lol.
Have you used stirrups on a human mount before? (Whether riding on his back or his shoulders)
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JayRey8585:
I don't have your E Mail and I already said I wouldn't promise anything.
As for stirrups, only on an all fours ride. They are not needed to mount a carrier and rather inconvenient for sitting on shoulders . A carrier's interlocked hands with my feet supported on his arms is usually a better choice.
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Audreyb,
Interesting. Never thought of interlocking a carriers hands this giving a place to rest your feet on his arms.
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JayRey8585:
Yes, either interlocking his hands or with both hands holding the opposite wrist, a rider can take some pressure off the tendons of his/her inner thighs and readjust her seat on him without bouncing or rocking.
This can be very helpful when you're sitting up there for a long period such as at a concert etc. and helps prevent the rider's legs from circulation problems.
All shoulders are not equal. Broad square shoulders are the easiest to sit on but often come with a thick neck that require spreading your thighs more and sloping shoulders tend to cause the rider's legs to slide outward. Especially narrow shoulders can be difficult to sit on, especially when they are boney .
All of these shoulder types require readjusting your seat and using the carrier's arms as a temporary pseudo stirrup or step is much more secure than having the carrier hold your feet.
I prefer the hands holding the opposite wrists position because it's a very solid step and doesn't require the carrier's arms to be as strong.
I learned this on my first "official"(?) ride with my friend and have since taught it to both of the men I sometimes ride, though I rarely need to readjust because I'm not usually sitting up there long enough to become uncomfortable.
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Audreyb wrote:
JayRey8585:
I can't answer that because it depends on the carrier.
I sat on my ex husband's shoulders while he carried me for nearly an hour on a path that had some hills he had to climb. But he was quite muscular and weighed 100 lbs more than I did at the time. He was showing off and I was testing him so I wouldn't let him rest or let him put me down. He also didn't keep his head down the whole time as I prefer and demand of carriers now.
If my carrier was an average man in good condition and I was sitting forward on his neck, I think perhaps a half hour on level ground would probably be his limits. I weigh 10 lbs. more than I did when I was on my ex husband and I don't know if that would be a factor. Perhaps weather could also be a factor.
Hey I think I can give you a good ride I am also an average guy and would love to carry you if you want
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Carrier boy:
Thanks but my current carriers are all I have had time for most of this year.
I never make dates or intend to even meet anyone I encounter on line.
In regard to this particular activity, I just happened to mention it at a club I sometimes frequent and a man who was old enough to be my grandfather overheard and ask me to take a ride on his shoulders.
I was as polite as I could be and held back from laughing. The man looked to be in his late 80s and was so thin and frail that I think I would have killed him if I sat on him.
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Audreyb,
You’re about to put me in your stable. Lol! *joking!*
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