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@ Hunter,
With all due respect, you’re wearing me out with the “will you ride me” posts. It sounds desperate and reaffirms why Audreyb and several others won’t allow people to email them!
Yes I can ride on you...as well as I can give ride to u..
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So many words;
Also, It came to my attention that ballance can be an issue. Unexperienced female riders are often afraid of falling down. That is why i Wonder whether a bridle and a mouth piece can be useful, so that the rider can keep secure?
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JayRey8585
1. How did your mount react to hearing your friend tell you how to control him?
He didn't react in any way I noticed. Since I was sitting on him, I couldn't see his face to notice any change in expression.
2. When you both stopped and took in the scenery while ‘perched’ on top of them, how did they react?
They stood relatively still. I think they found it a little tedious perhaps. My friend's carrier shuffled his feet I think because he normally did so when we stopped.
Mine hunched over slightly with his hands on his thighs or hips which I didn't correct because of course his doing so ,hunching his back a bit more gave me more support while sitting on him.
3. What made your friend kick his mount?
I really don't know. I believe it was some admonishment but I didn't hear what was said and I didn't ask.
4. Is it the mounts fault that his gait was ‘bouncing you’ to much?
Yes it was and I knew it was deliberate. As I said, he resented carrying a woman rather than the man (my friend)he preferred to serve/carry. He even said so directly to me and previously whined to my friend when assigned to be my carrier.
I know when someone is trying to bounce me rather than I just being a result of his gate. It was my first trail ride on a man/carrier but not my first time sitting on a guy's shoulders.
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@ Audreyb,
1. It sounds like your friend that you rode with truly has zero care as to what a mount might think of his actions. (Kicks, pace, staying on for longer periods of time, etc) And I see that as a good thing. Would you say he is more demanding than you or what you could be?
I found your various pacing amazing and quite cool to be honest!
2a. When you say the pace was almost a jog, how long did you keep them at that pace before being them back to a leisurely walking pace?
2b. What did you do to your mount to make him pick up the pace?
I would be pissed too if I was you if you knew for a fact that the somewhat threw a fit when he found out he was going to carry you.
3. What kept you from be firm, demanding, rough on him from the start? Example: You hear your carrier make those comments to your friend, when it was time to sit on him, to get him walking, give a firm kick to the ribs or something and stay firm to kill his desire to not have you on him. Break him of sorts.
4. Is there a ride you vividly remember whether you were involved or had seen it where a rider was very demanding of their carrier and what are some of the things they did?
~ Jay
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JayRey8585"
>1. It sounds like your friend that you rode with truly has zero care as to what a mount might think of his actions. (Kicks, pace, staying on for longer periods of time, etc) And I see that as a good thing. Would you say he is more demanding than you or what you could be? <
My friend is quite dominant and his carriers act as if they were his slaves. Obviously they submit willingly and like to carry him or at least are willing to . He is rather good looking and fairly wealthy so thee may be any number of motivations.
He is certainly more demanding of his carriers than I was with the guy he assigned to carry me. I might be a little more demanding of the guy I ride at home sometimes ,especially when I ride on his back, but he likes being dominated and he would probably lose interest if I didn't get a little rough with him.
>2a. When you say the pace was almost a jog, how long did you keep them at that pace before being them back to a leisurely walking pace? <
My friend set the pace and I think that he kept us at a fast walk for a bit over 5 minutes at a time. There was no reason to go fast for very long since the point was to enjoy the ride.
>2b. What did you do to your mount to make him pick up the pace?<
At first I just gave verbal commands but when my carrier lagged behind I kicked his flanks hard enough to make certain he knew that he was to obey. My friend kicked his carrier more often.
>I would be pissed too if I was you if you knew for a fact that the somewhat threw a fit when he found out he was going to carry you.
3. What kept you from be firm, demanding, rough on him from the start? Example: You hear your carrier make those comments to your friend, when it was time to sit on him, to get him walking, give a firm kick to the ribs or something and stay firm to kill his desire to not have you on him. Break him of sorts.<
I was more forgiving because my carrier was gay. I accepted the fact that he preferred male riders, but at the same time he also had a choice to refuse and deal with my friend dismissing him. I weighed less than my friend and I was less a burden sitting on him than most men would be. But when he continued to show his resentment of me as a woman, I did follow my friend's advice and became more harsh with him, kicked him harder and forced his head down so I could sit more forward with my bottom supported on him and take the pressure off my thighs.
I began to feel more dominant and lost my empathy. I stopped caring about his desires, his feelings or even his discomfort. I made certain that he understood that I was in charge as long as I was sitting on him.
>4. Is there a ride you vividly remember whether you were involved or had seen it where a rider was very demanding of their carrier and what are some of the things they did?<
It would be hard to choose one. Once at a fireworks display I sat on my date's shoulders to get a better view since everyone was taller than me and some in front of me were already sitting on other people's shoulders. It wasn't exactly riding but the display was 20 minutes long.
I noticed one guy sitting on another guy's shoulders. Most of the shoulder sitters were women and children with a few men on men.
But the thing that got my attention was that the guy I noticed was sitting on the shoulders of a guy noticeably smaller. the sitter was probably over 200 lbs. sitting on a guy no more that 140 lbs. Even with the firework noise and the music I could hear the carrier/seat groaning and asking for relief of his burden which was basically ignored by the bigger guy. I was caught between empathy and amusement to be honest.
After the display, everyone got off the other's shoulders except a few little kids on their father's and this big guy who made his carrier carry him to a bench about 30 feet behind us. I watched as I expected him to be lowed to the bench but instead he had the carrier sit down and remained on the carrier's shoulders and just sat there verbally chastising his human seat and slapping him on the head. My date noticed that I was disturbed and offered to intercede but I told him not to get involved . I didn't want him to possibly get into a fight over something that wasn't our concern.
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Audreyb,
Back to using peasants as human beasts and renting them out.
As an ‘owner’ of rental like this where one might employee and or owner said peasants how would one:
1. Be able to test the amount of weight each individual peasant could hold and still be able to work (walk)?
2. Would there be a weight limit?
3. Would riders be allowed to use spurs, crop or both if they chose too?
4. Would there be any rules other than, ‘bring him back alive!!’ ?
5. If you were the owner of such a place, would you periodically ride on them?
6. How would you break a brand new peasant into his new role as a mount/carrier after acquiring him?
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JayRey8585:
>As an ‘owner’ of rental like this where one might employee and or owner said peasants how would one:
>1. Be able to test the amount of weight each individual peasant could hold and still be able to work (walk)? <
I imagine that the owner would have to sit on the potential carrier him/herself or have someone above the average weight of a rider-customer sit on him for brisk walk of perhaps a mile or so.
>2. Would there be a weight limit? <
I would have to imagine there would be a weight limit and based on the size of the carriers in the stable. Clearly, letting a 400 lbs man sit on a carrier less than 200 lbs wouldn't be riding, it would be squashing.
>3. Would riders be allowed to use spurs, crop or both if they chose too?<
I couldn't say. If I were the operator of such a business ,I think I would only allow a crop and only allow someone training a carrier use spurs. An overly damage carrier wouldn't be good for business.
>4. Would there be any rules other than, ‘bring him back alive!!’ ?<
As I said above, the carrier would be essential to the business just as a real horse would be. A rider who wanted to run a carrier into the ground would have to make a financial arrangement to compensate for owner's potential loss.
>5. If you were the owner of such a place, would you periodically ride on them?<
I don't think I would want to own such a business even if it was possible.
However if I was the proprietor I would probably ride each one sometimes to at least determine the quality of the ride and fitness of the carriers.
>6. How would you break a brand new peasant into his new role as a mount/carrier after acquiring him?<
I assume it would be more or less like breaking a horse without the bucking.
Sit on him and take him through some common riding conditions. Up hill, short runs and long walks, sit on him in a stationary position for a period of time and ride him until he is exhausted and increase the time on him each day until he's fit.
Perhaps increasing the weight on him gradually by means of sandbags added to the weight of the person sitting on him.
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@ Audreyb,
Playing the opposite side, as a paying customer/rider on a peasant, if they wanted to ride their carrier with spurs, shouldn’t they be allowed too? It’s no different than going to a stable and renting a horse and using spurs on him.
If the customer wants to demand a long ride, it’s not their fault they have to use aids to accomplish this.
Switching gears, if you got PAID to be a trail guide on a weekend a few times over a summer to ride on a carrier either leading the group of riders or following at the back of the pack:
1. Would you do it?
2. Would you rather lead or follow?
3. If a rider was having a hard time getting her mount to listen or obey (maybe like your former situation) as a trail guide what advice would you give her and what might you do?
4. If a lady on the trail was wearing spurs and used them quite often, would it bother you to see her spurring her human mount?
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JayRay8585:
>Playing the opposite side, as a paying customer/rider on a peasant, if they wanted to ride their carrier with spurs, shouldn’t they be allowed too? It’s no different than going to a stable and renting a horse and using spurs on him. <
Spurs should only be used with the understanding that damaging a carrier to the point of taking him out of use would require compensation to the owner of the business.
I wouldn't allow customers to abuse a real horse if I were in the stable business for the same reason. Even if I acquired a peasant carrier for free the time it takes to break him and train him is worthy of financial consideration and if the peasant dies, he's useless. A real horse could at least be sold for leather and pet food.
>If the customer wants to demand a long ride, it’s not their fault they have to use aids to accomplish this. <
If the customer wants a long ride I assume he/she would pay by the hour. A riding crop should be adequate on a well broken carrier. If the carrier refuses to go on the rider should be refunded. If the carrier drops and dies while you're sitting on him, the refund to the rider should only be for the portion of the riding time that remained.
>Switching gears, if you got PAID to be a trail guide on a weekend a few times over a summer to ride on a carrier either leading the group of riders or following at the back of the pack: <
>1. Would you do it?<
Yes, why not?
>2. Would you rather lead or follow? <
I would prefer to follow to watch the carriers and riders actions and either correct the carriers or instruct the riders.
>3. If a rider was having a hard time getting her mount to listen or obey (maybe like your former situation) as a trail guide what advice would you give her and what might you do? <
I would verbally correct the carrier, discipline him as required and if that failed, I would trade carriers with her. From the moment I sat on him the problem carrier would quickly realize that disobedience was not an option.
>4. If a lady on the trail was wearing spurs and used them quite often, would it bother you to see her spurring her human mount?<
I assume the owner was aware and allowed the lady to use spurs and since I was only hired to supervise ,I wouldn't care at all. Perhaps the carrier was not performing and required the discipline, or perhaps she just liked hurting him. He wouldn't be my property, so I simply wouldn't care. I still get paid even if she kills him.
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Audreyb,
You’re sitting on your mount talking to a lady sitting on hers. She digs her spurs into his sides and keeps them dug in while pulling on the reins saying don’t move. What would you think as you look at her carrier?!
Describe the perfect pace that would be fun for you if trying to give your Mount a solid workout?
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JayRey8585:
Once again , assuming that I'm simply hired to supervise, I would inform the lady politely that she would be held financially responsible if she damaged or ruined her carrier. For example, she may not be the last rider expected to sit on him that day and as such, she could be making him unavailable.
Just imagine for a moment that you were part of a group that reserved a number of carriers for later that afternoon . The stable master brings out your carrier and he groans or even buckles as soon as you sit on hm. You're dissatisfied with the carrier
and ask the stable master for another and he explains that he doesn't have an carrier available. Now your group is either deprived of your company on the ride or you're stuck sitting on a damaged carrier all afternoon concerned about your safety and all because someone liked torturing that carrier earlier in the day.
Obviously I would be remiss as a trail guide to allow my employer to risk losing a customer and perhaps future business because of her damaging that carrier.
If on the other hand she arranged having the option of doing what she was doing, I wouldn't care.
As for the perfect pace and workout for a carrier, I would prefer a brisk walk at a fast smooth pace. Not a jogging motion where I would be bounced or concerned about a possible fall. With the carrier's head bowed so my derriere is partially supported by his upper back, a brisk smooth walk could be safely maintained for a longer distance than a jog and still allow me to push the carrier's limits without discomfort for most riders.
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Audreyb,
I find your answers to be on point and reasonable.
1. With that said, I would like to know how you get your carrier to carry you even if he isn’t in the mood to or feeling up to it? (Going off of the statement you made earlier in the tread that when your carrier feels this way, sometimes you let him off the hook and sometimes you don’t! )
2. How might you keep a carrier at a brisk walk and for approximately how long if you’re wanting to ‘work him out’?
3. When you ride your personal carrier on all fours, how long do you ride and do you stay mounted for the entire time?
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JayRey8585:
I'm assuming you're talking about my own favorite carrier in this case?
>1, I would like to know how you get your carrier to carry you even if he isn’t in the mood to or feeling up to it? (Going off of the statement you made earlier in the tread that when your carrier feels this way, sometimes you let him off the hook and sometimes you don’t! ) <
My carriers all have their own agenda which ranges from a desire to be in my company to satisfying their fantasies and fetishes. I must say for the record that I'm not a professional or even an armature dominatrix and everything I do ,I do because I want to and when I want to. It's simply fun for me or I don't do it.
My favorite carrier, as I mentioned likes to consider himself my slave and I have no problem in letting him do so because he does things for me other than carrying me and I get a great number of things done by him without charge. He puts in my garden, details my car and put a new roof on my garage.
In short I take advantage of his labors and he considers my requests to be commands.
And also for the record, he isn't a lover and we don't have sex with each other.
So if I feel like riding on his shoulders or his back, I just vaguely imply that I may choose to not call him or see him anymore and he will comply with almost anything I want at any given time.
>2. How might you keep a carrier at a brisk walk and for approximately how long if you’re wanting to ‘work him out’? <
When I'm sitting on his shoulders I feel very much in control and very demanding. Much more so than in other aspects of my life. I am very strict and my carrier submits more than usual .He will tolerate my kicking him in a spurring type action and continue at the pace I want until he indicates that he can't . I always push him a little further before allowing him to put me down and I'm often cross with him if it's sooner than I want.
>3. When you ride your personal carrier on all fours, how long do you ride and do you stay mounted for the entire time?<
The length of time I'm on his back varies with my mood. It's rarely less than 10 minutes and usually longer if we prepare for the riding session. If we prepare he is allowed to wear knee pads which make it more comfortable for both of us since he can carry me longer and his back is more level when I'm sitting on it. Often when I'm sitting astride and more forward, or sidesaddle and sitting between his shoulder blades, his arms bear more weight and I let him arch his back while he remains in one place and simulate riding in a stationary place.
I have been on his back for over an hour a few times but not while he was in constant motion. Sometimes I allow him to rest in position and just sit on him. I'm not very heavy (133 lbs) so it's not difficult for him and it's comfortable for me.
It's often at those times that I ask for favors or chores that I want him to do. He always agrees immediately to my requests when I'm sitting on him like that.
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Audreyb wrote:
JayRey8585:
I'm assuming you're talking about my own favorite carrier in this case?
>1, I would like to know how you get your carrier to carry you even if he isn’t in the mood to or feeling up to it? (Going off of the statement you made earlier in the tread that when your carrier feels this way, sometimes you let him off the hook and sometimes you don’t! ) <
My carriers all have their own agenda which ranges from a desire to be in my company to satisfying their fantasies and fetishes. I must say for the record that I'm not a professional or even an armature dominatrix and everything I do ,I do because I want to and when I want to. It's simply fun for me or I don't do it.
My favorite carrier, as I mentioned likes to consider himself my slave and I have no problem in letting him do so because he does things for me other than carrying me and I get a great number of things done by him without charge. He puts in my garden, details my car and put a new roof on my garage.
In short I take advantage of his labors and he considers my requests to be commands.
And also for the record, he isn't a lover and we don't have sex with each other.
So if I feel like riding on his shoulders or his back, I just vaguely imply that I may choose to not call him or see him anymore and he will comply with almost anything I want at any given time.
>2. How might you keep a carrier at a brisk walk and for approximately how long if you’re wanting to ‘work him out’? <
When I'm sitting on his shoulders I feel very much in control and very demanding. Much more so than in other aspects of my life. I am very strict and my carrier submits more than usual .He will tolerate my kicking him in a spurring type action and continue at the pace I want until he indicates that he can't . I always push him a little further before allowing him to put me down and I'm often cross with him if it's sooner than I want.
>3. When you ride your personal carrier on all fours, how long do you ride and do you stay mounted for the entire time?<
The length of time I'm on his back varies with my mood. It's rarely less than 10 minutes and usually longer if we prepare for the riding session. If we prepare he is allowed to wear knee pads which make it more comfortable for both of us since he can carry me longer and his back is more level when I'm sitting on it. Often when I'm sitting astride and more forward, or sidesaddle and sitting between his shoulder blades, his arms bear more weight and I let him arch his back while he remains in one place and simulate riding in a stationary place.
I have been on his back for over an hour a few times but not while he was in constant motion. Sometimes I allow him to rest in position and just sit on him. I'm not very heavy (133 lbs) so it's not difficult for him and it's comfortable for me.
It's often at those times that I ask for favors or chores that I want him to do. He always agrees immediately to my requests when I'm sitting on him like that.
Which country you from....~?..
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hi Audreyb,
I like your approach towards riding your "personal" carrier. although i feel SR is more "practical" way of riding in terms of speed and distance but i really like ride on all 4s.
since You mentioned that when you "prepare" for session , your carrier uses kneepads so i wanna know whether using them make any considerable difference in duration of ride?
Is the carrier able to walk greater distance and at a better speed?
Also, is there any changes that rider experiences when riding on a carrier with kneepads compared to bare knees?
Audreyb wrote:
JayRey8585:
I'm assuming you're talking about my own favorite carrier in this case?
>1, I would like to know how you get your carrier to carry you even if he isn’t in the mood to or feeling up to it? (Going off of the statement you made earlier in the tread that when your carrier feels this way, sometimes you let him off the hook and sometimes you don’t! ) <
My carriers all have their own agenda which ranges from a desire to be in my company to satisfying their fantasies and fetishes. I must say for the record that I'm not a professional or even an armature dominatrix and everything I do ,I do because I want to and when I want to. It's simply fun for me or I don't do it.
My favorite carrier, as I mentioned likes to consider himself my slave and I have no problem in letting him do so because he does things for me other than carrying me and I get a great number of things done by him without charge. He puts in my garden, details my car and put a new roof on my garage.
In short I take advantage of his labors and he considers my requests to be commands.
And also for the record, he isn't a lover and we don't have sex with each other.
So if I feel like riding on his shoulders or his back, I just vaguely imply that I may choose to not call him or see him anymore and he will comply with almost anything I want at any given time.
>2. How might you keep a carrier at a brisk walk and for approximately how long if you’re wanting to ‘work him out’? <
When I'm sitting on his shoulders I feel very much in control and very demanding. Much more so than in other aspects of my life. I am very strict and my carrier submits more than usual .He will tolerate my kicking him in a spurring type action and continue at the pace I want until he indicates that he can't . I always push him a little further before allowing him to put me down and I'm often cross with him if it's sooner than I want.
>3. When you ride your personal carrier on all fours, how long do you ride and do you stay mounted for the entire time?<
The length of time I'm on his back varies with my mood. It's rarely less than 10 minutes and usually longer if we prepare for the riding session. If we prepare he is allowed to wear knee pads which make it more comfortable for both of us since he can carry me longer and his back is more level when I'm sitting on it. Often when I'm sitting astride and more forward, or sidesaddle and sitting between his shoulder blades, his arms bear more weight and I let him arch his back while he remains in one place and simulate riding in a stationary place.
I have been on his back for over an hour a few times but not while he was in constant motion. Sometimes I allow him to rest in position and just sit on him. I'm not very heavy (133 lbs) so it's not difficult for him and it's comfortable for me.
It's often at those times that I ask for favors or chores that I want him to do. He always agrees immediately to my requests when I'm sitting on him like that.
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Audreyb,
When you say your carrier wants you to be rough on him, give me some examples of what it likes as “rough” AND also what you like to do when being rough on him?
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Obviously riding on shoulders is more practical since the primary object is transportation and of course the view when sitting up there is part of the enjoyment .
However my carrier also likes carrying me on his back and since this usually takes place indoors in my home, riding on his shoulders isn't really practical anyway.
When riding out doors I have to wear some version of shorts since I'm exposed to public scrutiny, indoors with my carrier on all fours, my choice of clothing may be something he particularly requests (such as the spurs and boots I mentioned previously) or completely spontaneous and whatever I happen to be wearing at the time. This latter is usually when I just simply decide to ride when he was in my house for some other reason.
As such I have had him give me rides on his back while I was wearing anything from loungewear to business clothing and evening gowns , the latter because I felt like riding him while dressed for a formal outing.
The knee pads are of the type that carpenters and carpet installers wear and since he stores them at my house, they are available. They were his idea because carpet burns and damage to his knees on areas that are not carpeted shortened the duration of the rides. I allow him the pads because they raise his knees enough to level his back so it's more comfortable to sit on and I don't slide back when sitting astride him.
You asked >"Is the carrier able to walk greater distance and at a better speed?<
I'm not sure what you means by this. He doesn't wear the kneepads when I'm riding on his shoulders, just when on all fours. On his hands and knees,speed isn't a consideration and in fact, sometimes he doesn't crawl more than half the time that I'm sitting on him.
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JayRey8585
>When you say your carrier wants you to be rough on him, give me some examples of what it likes as “rough” AND also what you like to do when being rough on him?<
The carrier I was speaking of likes it when I demand that he carry me on his shoulders or on his back past his point of exhaustion. The more demanding I am, the more he seems to like it. Nut when I'm sitting on his shoulders and he really doesn't obey or makes me uncomfortable, I give him a serious kick in the ribs and slap his head hard. That seems to bother him more than using the riding crop and I often don't have a crop with me anyway.
He occasionally does something that makes me angry but not often.
On one ride last fall he simply wouldn't keep his head down and verbally complained that I was sitting to far forward on his neck. It was only 15 minutes into the ride and his complaint made me angry. When he raised his head for the third time I grabbed his hair and pushed down and bounced forward, almost sitting on his head and I didn't even care if he fell or I fell off. I didn't care at that point if the ride ended. I honestly thought of walking back and driving home and leaving him there .We were 15 miles from home at the time.
He followed after me, begging to be forgiven and got on his knees. I relented and drove home while he sat next to me crying and continued begging. I decided to forgive him but never actually said it. I just told him to wash my car the next morning and he took that as forgiveness .
The one thing I have always liked to do when being rough with my favorite carrier and a couple of the others is "spur" them with my heels rather than spurs.
I wear heels almost all the time every day so I'm quite used to them and comfortable wearing them. I love shoes and I always feel sexy and feminine wearing 3 inch heels.My feet are just not big enough for anything higher.
When I ride on his back on all fours I like to dig my heels into his sides or thighs a bit harder than I need to to direct him. He doesn't mind it at first but after digging in a little harder in the same spot I can feel him shutter under me a little more each time.
I also love the look on his face when I tell him I want to ride him and direct him to get down so I can sit on his back.He looks at my shoes and the fear in his eyes makes me feel powerful and more than a little naughty. That is my favorite way of being rough and it's more fun because I know he doesn't like it.
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Audreyb wrote:
JayRey8585
>When you say your carrier wants you to be rough on him, give me some examples of what it likes as “rough” AND also what you like to do when being rough on him?<
The carrier I was speaking of likes it when I demand that he carry me on his shoulders or on his back past his point of exhaustion. The more demanding I am, the more he seems to like it. Nut when I'm sitting on his shoulders and he really doesn't obey or makes me uncomfortable, I give him a serious kick in the ribs and slap his head hard. That seems to bother him more than using the riding crop and I often don't have a crop with me anyway.
He occasionally does something that makes me angry but not often.
On one ride last fall he simply wouldn't keep his head down and verbally complained that I was sitting to far forward on his neck. It was only 15 minutes into the ride and his complaint made me angry. When he raised his head for the third time I grabbed his hair and pushed down and bounced forward, almost sitting on his head and I didn't even care if he fell or I fell off. I didn't care at that point if the ride ended. I honestly thought of walking back and driving home and leaving him there .We were 15 miles from home at the time.
He followed after me, begging to be forgiven and got on his knees. I relented and drove home while he sat next to me crying and continued begging. I decided to forgive him but never actually said it. I just told him to wash my car the next morning and he took that as forgiveness .
The one thing I have always liked to do when being rough with my favorite carrier and a couple of the others is "spur" them with my heels rather than spurs.
I wear heels almost all the time every day so I'm quite used to them and comfortable wearing them. I love shoes and I always feel sexy and feminine wearing 3 inch heels.My feet are just not big enough for anything higher.
When I ride on his back on all fours I like to dig my heels into his sides or thighs a bit harder than I need to to direct him. He doesn't mind it at first but after digging in a little harder in the same spot I can feel him shutter under me a little more each time.
I also love the look on his face when I tell him I want to ride him and direct him to get down so I can sit on his back.He looks at my shoes and the fear in his eyes makes me feel powerful and more than a little naughty. That is my favorite way of being rough and it's more fun because I know he doesn't like it.
Are you such yuck . woman...
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Audreyb,
Thanks for the reply.
"You asked >"Is the carrier able to walk greater distance and at a better speed?<"
By this question i meant to ask that when your carrier wears kneepads , is he able to give you ride on hands and knees for longer duration as compared to the case when he doesn't wear the kneepads.
Audreyb wrote:
rider_in"
Obviously riding on shoulders is more practical since the primary object is transportation and of course the view when sitting up there is part of the enjoyment .
However my carrier also likes carrying me on his back and since this usually takes place indoors in my home, riding on his shoulders isn't really practical anyway.
When riding out doors I have to wear some version of shorts since I'm exposed to public scrutiny, indoors with my carrier on all fours, my choice of clothing may be something he particularly requests (such as the spurs and boots I mentioned previously) or completely spontaneous and whatever I happen to be wearing at the time. This latter is usually when I just simply decide to ride when he was in my house for some other reason.
As such I have had him give me rides on his back while I was wearing anything from loungewear to business clothing and evening gowns , the latter because I felt like riding him while dressed for a formal outing.
The knee pads are of the type that carpenters and carpet installers wear and since he stores them at my house, they are available. They were his idea because carpet burns and damage to his knees on areas that are not carpeted shortened the duration of the rides. I allow him the pads because they raise his knees enough to level his back so it's more comfortable to sit on and I don't slide back when sitting astride him.
You asked >"Is the carrier able to walk greater distance and at a better speed?<
I'm not sure what you means by this. He doesn't wear the kneepads when I'm riding on his shoulders, just when on all fours. On his hands and knees,speed isn't a consideration and in fact, sometimes he doesn't crawl more than half the time that I'm sitting on him.
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rider_in:
Yes! The kneepads make a great deal of difference in regard to both distance and endurance as well as making it more comfortable and stable for me when I'm riding and sitting on him. The difference is rather remarkable in fact.
Rug burns from the carpet and his knees bearing our weight on the hardwood portions of the floor were harder on him than my weight on his back .The pain he endured in serving me in this manner was something he desired in showing his submission and I appreciated it at first.
But the frequent rest periods interfered with our respective enjoyment.
One he thought of the kneepads, after have carpet installed in his own home, we discovered the advantages. His having sore knees and less inclined to want to carry me was almost at the point of ending our relationship.
I should also explain that originally, spurring him with my heels was his idea.
He enjoys being controlled by women and associates spike heels with femininity .
Being spurred is something he dreads but without it he feels incomplete in his position.
For my part, I'm indifferent to causing him pain and only interested in the ride whether of his back or shoulders.
I assume by your handle that you are a rider(?) though I don't know your gender.
But in any case I suggest acquiring kneepads for any carrier you ride on all fours.
You will discover that you'll be more comfortable sitting on him and the duration of the ride will increase by an appreciable degree.
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Audreyb,
Thanks for the reply. And, I'm a male rider from India, 21 years of age.
I like riding on shoulders and back but the frequent rest period during riding on all 4s spoils all the enjoyment so i asked whether kneepads make considerable difference in quality of ride as you have tried riding same carrier with and without kneepad, and I've got the answer.
If you're comfortable, can we discuss more about rides on email as this topic is meant for "Spurs and crops". ?
Audreyb wrote:
rider_in:
Yes! The kneepads make a great deal of difference in regard to both distance and endurance as well as making it more comfortable and stable for me when I'm riding and sitting on him. The difference is rather remarkable in fact.
Rug burns from the carpet and his knees bearing our weight on the hardwood portions of the floor were harder on him than my weight on his back .The pain he endured in serving me in this manner was something he desired in showing his submission and I appreciated it at first.
But the frequent rest periods interfered with our respective enjoyment.
One he thought of the kneepads, after have carpet installed in his own home, we discovered the advantages. His having sore knees and less inclined to want to carry me was almost at the point of ending our relationship.
I should also explain that originally, spurring him with my heels was his idea.
He enjoys being controlled by women and associates spike heels with femininity .
Being spurred is something he dreads but without it he feels incomplete in his position.
For my part, I'm indifferent to causing him pain and only interested in the ride whether of his back or shoulders.
I assume by your handle that you are a rider(?) though I don't know your gender.
But in any case I suggest acquiring kneepads for any carrier you ride on all fours.
You will discover that you'll be more comfortable sitting on him and the duration of the ride will increase by an appreciable degree.
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@ Audreyb,
Have you ridden on a carrier with reins and a bit of some sort? If so, how did your carrier respond to the bit and reins?
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JayRey8585:
I have only used improvised versions of a bit and reins and only while sitting on his back m not on his shoulders. They were just one piece versions. often an electrical cord, a rope, a neck tie (his) or a nylon stocking. A few times I wanted it but more often my carrier did. It wasn't really needed because he obeyed verbal commands or a tug on his ears or hair. He likes to insist that he's my "slave" and sometimes I treat him that way no matter what we're doing. But I always feel more dominant toward him when I'm riding on his back or shoulders.
He will do almost anything I ask him to but he is the most docile and compliant when I'm sitting on him.
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Audreyb,
How does your carrier(s) react when you apply (kick) with spurs???!!
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Gee guys im having the impresion you are writing some kind of interactive bdsm story. How 'bout an RPG session. I can be your game master.
Speaking about the reality i think horse riding spurs are not so well suited for use on humans. While sitting on human shoulders, you need to maintain the vertical balance, your butt on his shoulders, your legs going under his arms. Your heels will be sticking out back. Which may work quite well with the horse whose body is horizontal. But on the movie clips showing women riding on the shulders of men while trying to use spurs on them, you'll see it's not unusual for the rider to end up kicking the air... it just does not look so comfortable. Perhaps a combination of mouthpiece plus the reins would work better.
Complete with spurs like theese: https://allegro.pl/oferta/ostrogi-westernowe-barrel … me-9205112217 (?)
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@ Misiulo,
I have never seen spurs that look like those. Those might be more practical for shoulder riding?
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I suppose so. That's why I found those spurs. Notice for example, how Lady Asia is using her heels on her human horse here:
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/10402/riding---cu … -desc/Limit10
I'd like to put those spurs to a test.
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As a rider, I have used both spurs and crop when riding my slaves. There are several reasons that go into that choice:
I enjoy inflicting pain on my slaves
it dehumanizes them to the point
it reminds the slave that it has no will, and when it wants to give up, I use my spurs and crop to remind it of its role
it immediately corrects sloppy behavior: if the slave is shuffling or walking, nothing gets your point across like repeated strikes of the crop
I have definitely left scratches on at least one slave with my spurs
JayRey8585 wrote:
Hello, everyone!
I am curious to know that if carriers have experienced spurs, crop and or both being used on them physically by their rider? If so, what was the reason in which the rider used them? (Did you act out? Being lazy? Etc)
Second part of the question is, describe what it felt like to you? Sharp pain or more of a bee sting?
Riders:
*If* you were to use spurs or a crop on your carrier, what would be some general reasons as to why you would decide to spur or whip with your crop?
Thanks in advance!
~ Jay
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This riding style (sitting on the neck with the slave's head bent low) is how I ride as well. The reason is quite simple:
I have a more stable seat, since my weight bears straight down on the pony's spine. If I don't sit on the neck then my center of gravity shifts behind me, and I have to lean forward with my torso to compensate and bring my center of gravity over the pony's shoulders again, or hook my feet behind its back, or both. By sitting on the neck, I can sit straighter, and it leaves my legs free to kick the slave's sides.
ezpony wrote:
I have a female friend who used to ride me. She set the rules in our relationship and I was happy to serve as her pony. She liked to push me and ride me for a long time. The first time she rode me I couldn't carry her for very long because my neck started to hurt. She was quite disappointed. I told her that her riding style where she enjoyed pushing my head down so that she could sit comfortably on my neck and shoulders rather than my shoulders alone was the probable source of my neck pains. She said that she really liked this "neck-riding" style but she would mix it up so that she could also get some longer rides. She also experimented with whip and spurs. I remember one time she had put a pair of mexican spurs on. They look like big wheels of small, sharp spikes. I can say without a doubt that this ride was the most painful I have experienced and the spurs pierced my skin again and again. The ride was very short and probably not very comfortable for her either because whe never repeated this and she went back to riding me with ordinary spurs and sometimes also a whip.
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krisbean:
You're views are remarkably like the man who introduced me to shoulder riding as an activity.
I had of course been carried on shoulders etc. Many times previously but hadn't engaged in it recreationally . He instructed me and instilled very much the same attitude regarding taking full control of the carrier throughout the ride , how to sit on the carrier comfortably and disregard the carrier very much as one would a nonhuman beast of burden.
Through I'm normally milder with an obedient carrier than he is , or the way you expressed, I have adopted the view that for the ride to be fully realized, the rider must assume that he/she is superior to the carrier during the entire session and particularly when you are actively sitting on him.
My friend rarely uses any riding tack or spurs and often omits the crop as well, he often directs his carrier with kicks that seem harder than necessary , which he explains as "showing the carrier that" he's 'the boss".
The similarities between the views you expressed and his are amazingly similar.
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@ Audreyb,
How would you disregard the comfort of a horse?
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I like what you said about riding on neck.Even I would like to use most of the neck of my pony and for 3 major reasons:
1. It would provide more support to my bottom and would add more comfort for the rider.
2. Because I like "RIDING" and not just "SITING" so as I would use more of my pony's neck, his neck would be more towards ground and it would limit his field of view which would make him totally dependent on me for directions.
3. As I prefer leaving my legs hanging instead of tucking back when shoulder riding, this method keeps my balance and is more comfortable.
krisbean wrote:
This riding style (sitting on the neck with the slave's head bent low) is how I ride as well. The reason is quite simple:
I have a more stable seat, since my weight bears straight down on the pony's spine. If I don't sit on the neck then my center of gravity shifts behind me, and I have to lean forward with my torso to compensate and bring my center of gravity over the pony's shoulders again, or hook my feet behind its back, or both. By sitting on the neck, I can sit straighter, and it leaves my legs free to kick the slave's sides.ezpony wrote:
I have a female friend who used to ride me. She set the rules in our relationship and I was happy to serve as her pony. She liked to push me and ride me for a long time. The first time she rode me I couldn't carry her for very long because my neck started to hurt. She was quite disappointed. I told her that her riding style where she enjoyed pushing my head down so that she could sit comfortably on my neck and shoulders rather than my shoulders alone was the probable source of my neck pains. She said that she really liked this "neck-riding" style but she would mix it up so that she could also get some longer rides. She also experimented with whip and spurs. I remember one time she had put a pair of mexican spurs on. They look like big wheels of small, sharp spikes. I can say without a doubt that this ride was the most painful I have experienced and the spurs pierced my skin again and again. The ride was very short and probably not very comfortable for her either because whe never repeated this and she went back to riding me with ordinary spurs and sometimes also a whip.
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JayRey8585:
A real horse or a human carrier?
Since I don't presently own a horse and only ride rentals, I'm indifferent to the animal and only follow the rules of the stable. Obviously a stubborn horse must be taken charge of .This is often when the rented horse wants to either return to the stable or wants to stay exclusively on a particular trail. Then the spurs and crop are employed.
A rider cannot use these implements too vigorously on a horse with an unknown temperament without risk of being thrown. But taking full charge is still required.
I only dismount if the horse shows signs of distress such as lameness . Otherwise controlling him when you're not sitting on him can be difficult.
With a human carrier, the most common discomfort is exhaustion. As the rider, I know the signs of real exhaustion as opposed to the carrier only wanting a break from his duties. Depending on what I perceive and his previous efforts, I may let him stop walking and sit on him in place rather than dismounting. or I may dismount until he recovers. One of the disadvantages of requiring that he keep his head down so I can sit more forward on his neck for comfort is that the carrier often experiences some neck pain. I will often disregard his discomfort and remain seated until I think he really needs to rest his legs and back ,which is easy to tell by his gait wobbling and his muscles trembling beneath me.
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Audreyb wrote:
JayRey8585:
A real horse or a human carrier?
Since I don't presently own a horse and only ride rentals, I'm indifferent to the animal and only follow the rules of the stable. Obviously a stubborn horse must be taken charge of .This is often when the rented horse wants to either return to the stable or wants to stay exclusively on a particular trail. Then the spurs and crop are employed.
A rider cannot use these implements too vigorously on a horse with an unknown temperament without risk of being thrown. But taking full charge is still required.
I only dismount if the horse shows signs of distress such as lameness . Otherwise controlling him when you're not sitting on him can be difficult.
With a human carrier, the most common discomfort is exhaustion. As the rider, I know the signs of real exhaustion as opposed to the carrier only wanting a break from his duties. Depending on what I perceive and his previous efforts, I may let him stop walking and sit on him in place rather than dismounting. or I may dismount until he recovers. One of the disadvantages of requiring that he keep his head down so I can sit more forward on his neck for comfort is that the carrier often experiences some neck pain. I will often disregard his discomfort and remain seated until I think he really needs to rest his legs and back ,which is easy to tell by his gait wobbling and his muscles trembling beneath me.
I think you are fake...
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Hey Hunter...
Why are you spoiling someone else conversations.
She is not Fake...we all know that...except you...
Pls behave with your posts..
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Hunter wrote:
I think you are fake...
imho, i think you're a really annoying member.
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@rider_in exactly, reason 2 below is also a more humiliating and painful position for the horse, and it makes the horse more pliable.
rider_in wrote:
I like what you said about riding on neck.Even I would like to use most of the neck of my pony and for 3 major reasons:
1. It would provide more support to my bottom and would add more comfort for the rider.
2. Because I like "RIDING" and not just "SITING" so as I would use more of my pony's neck, his neck would be more towards ground and it would limit his field of view which would make him totally dependent on me for directions.
3. As I prefer leaving my legs hanging instead of tucking back when shoulder riding, this method keeps my balance and is more comfortable.krisbean wrote:
This riding style (sitting on the neck with the slave's head bent low) is how I ride as well. The reason is quite simple:
I have a more stable seat, since my weight bears straight down on the pony's spine. If I don't sit on the neck then my center of gravity shifts behind me, and I have to lean forward with my torso to compensate and bring my center of gravity over the pony's shoulders again, or hook my feet behind its back, or both. By sitting on the neck, I can sit straighter, and it leaves my legs free to kick the slave's sides.ezpony wrote:
I have a female friend who used to ride me. She set the rules in our relationship and I was happy to serve as her pony. She liked to push me and ride me for a long time. The first time she rode me I couldn't carry her for very long because my neck started to hurt. She was quite disappointed. I told her that her riding style where she enjoyed pushing my head down so that she could sit comfortably on my neck and shoulders rather than my shoulders alone was the probable source of my neck pains. She said that she really liked this "neck-riding" style but she would mix it up so that she could also get some longer rides. She also experimented with whip and spurs. I remember one time she had put a pair of mexican spurs on. They look like big wheels of small, sharp spikes. I can say without a doubt that this ride was the most painful I have experienced and the spurs pierced my skin again and again. The ride was very short and probably not very comfortable for her either because whe never repeated this and she went back to riding me with ordinary spurs and sometimes also a whip.
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@audreyb,
That is very interesting. I'm sure people come to shoulder riding as riders as carriers from many perspectives, but I think your friend and I have a dominant streak that expresses itself while riding. That expression has grown bolder over time and with every ride, and now it is practically a constant. I didn't use tack, spurs and crop initially but I always use it now, ironically for the same reason as your friend: it is a reminder that the pony is not a person anymore, it is an animal and it is only useful if it can be ridden comfortably.
As an aside, I appreciate the patience with which you answer everyone's questions. Your personal accounts are very enjoyable to read.
Audreyb wrote:
krisbean:
You're views are remarkably like the man who introduced me to shoulder riding as an activity.
I had of course been carried on shoulders etc. Many times previously but hadn't engaged in it recreationally . He instructed me and instilled very much the same attitude regarding taking full control of the carrier throughout the ride , how to sit on the carrier comfortably and disregard the carrier very much as one would a nonhuman beast of burden.
Through I'm normally milder with an obedient carrier than he is , or the way you expressed, I have adopted the view that for the ride to be fully realized, the rider must assume that he/she is superior to the carrier during the entire session and particularly when you are actively sitting on him.
My friend rarely uses any riding tack or spurs and often omits the crop as well, he often directs his carrier with kicks that seem harder than necessary , which he explains as "showing the carrier that" he's 'the boss".
The similarities between the views you expressed and his are amazingly similar.
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krisbean:
Thankyou.
The friend I mentioned is dominant in most of his relationships and I assume it just carries over to his shoulder riding. His carriers are quite willing to serve him and he has actually increased his "stable" for want of a better word.
As I mentioned previously, I had of course been carried on men's shoulders at various times but I never considered it as an activity until he invited me on an outing with him.
He is gay as are his carriers and the carrier he assigned to me wasn't happy with the assignment so his instructions were useful and somewhat necessary on that first outing and I have found them quite useful on subsequent rides.
I did find your mindset in this regard so similar I mentioned it to him.
He assured me that he wasn't you, which I admit was my suspicion at first.
He has never lied to me and his candor and openness in describing his preferences and actions are oddly refreshing as are yours.
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Hey Hunter...
Why are you spoiling someone else conversations.
She is not Fake...we all know that...except you...
Pls behave with your posts..
Why she doesn't give me reply...
Then?
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Then.. what?
No. She is not fake.
No. You cannot expect her to answer because she doesn't have to - not at all.
And no, you shouldn't continue calling every female member you come across on this board as fake just because they choose NOT to talk to you
Swallow your pride or whatever it is and move on but don't ruin the conversation for everyone else.
Hunter wrote:
trigger wrote:
Hey Hunter...
Why are you spoiling someone else conversations.
She is not Fake...we all know that...except you...
Pls behave with your posts..Why she doesn't give me reply...
Then?
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@ Alex
I fully support your message !
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@audreyb
I assure you I’m not him as well
That’s very interesting about your friend’s gay carriers. I’m not gay myself, but my ponyslaves have mostly been gay. One of them does my errands and housework for no pay, and is obedient in every way, but on the matter of serving women he is strongly opposed to it (we only talked about it in theory, so I don’t know how he would react if push came to shove, but I have no intention of testing this at the moment).
That is an interesting thing I’ve observed. There are those that so badly want to serve that they will put up with almost any amount of physical punishment. I’m very physically demanding as a rider, but my slaves bear with it, because on some level they want to.
Audreyb wrote:
krisbean:
Thankyou.
The friend I mentioned is dominant in most of his relationships and I assume it just carries over to his shoulder riding. His carriers are quite willing to serve him and he has actually increased his "stable" for want of a better word.
As I mentioned previously, I had of course been carried on men's shoulders at various times but I never considered it as an activity until he invited me on an outing with him.
He is gay as are his carriers and the carrier he assigned to me wasn't happy with the assignment so his instructions were useful and somewhat necessary on that first outing and I have found them quite useful on subsequent rides.
I did find your mindset in this regard so similar I mentioned it to him.
He assured me that he wasn't you, which I admit was my suspicion at first.
He has never lied to me and his candor and openness in describing his preferences and actions are oddly refreshing as are yours.
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krisbean:
I understand that your carriers prefer not to carry women and though my association with my friend and others, I have encountered many gay men who are quite masochistic and also attracted to dominant straight men.
It may seem odd that a woman would have a gay man as a close friend but it's been a very good relationship for me and I assume for him as well.
No jealousies ,competitions or sexual tensions .
I have a few straight men who willingly serve me very much like your gay men serve you. However I don't have any gay women in that capacity simply because I find lesbian relationships become complicated far to often.
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Audrey, I wanna meet you. Could you please give your mail id
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Ehm Guys Audrey is a female riding Mistress from USA, and the last thing i know She was pretty satisfied with the contents of Her stable ad not looking for new rides unfortunately.
When addressing an accomplished user like Her, especially a Lady it is wise to use search options first. Where are you from?! You're a fake, cos you didn't answer me! That's probably not the best way to start an acqueintance. And if anything it is likely to make Her even less open and willing to share.
IMHO, We should be welcoming to anybody willing to actively share real life experiences and knowledge with us.
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@audreyb, not at all actually. I've experienced first hand (from the male and female perspective) how difficult it is to maintain friendships with the opposite sex, without one or the other person wanting something more. Your friendship makes sense for the reason you stated.
Would you describe yourself as dominant?
Audreyb wrote:
krisbean:
I understand that your carriers prefer not to carry women and though my association with my friend and others, I have encountered many gay men who are quite masochistic and also attracted to dominant straight men.
It may seem odd that a woman would have a gay man as a close friend but it's been a very good relationship for me and I assume for him as well.
No jealousies ,competitions or sexual tensions .
I have a few straight men who willingly serve me very much like your gay men serve you. However I don't have any gay women in that capacity simply because I find lesbian relationships become complicated far to often.
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@esel,
I was curious to know a bit about your attitude towards carrying. Your post on another thread caught my eye:
"A donkey doesn't choose his rider, nor his/her riding manners ... Likewise a slave doesn't choose his owner, nor his/her whims and wishes ..."
I was curious to know how you came to feel this way. Also, I'm sorry this is a personal question, and I completely understand if you don't wish to answer, but do you identify as gay or straight?
I ask b/c I have a straight man who serves as my pony, but he is first and foremost a submissive, and he believes it is his purpose to serve those above him. Was curious if your thoughts were similar.
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krisbean:
I'm glad you understand about my friend and me. Many people seem to find our relationship odd but we were attracted to each other on the first day we met.
The attraction was on a nonsexual level, rather more personality to personality and kindred spirits.
Yes I have always been dominant in all of my relationship from my earliest memories.
I rarely maintain any relationship where there is a conflict in this.
I have of course dated men who wanted to be "in charge" but rarely more than once.
It's not that I dislike masculine men, but rather that we tend to clash early and waste each other's time. There have been a few exceptions that became a struggle of wills but lately I prefer men who simply submit or are submissive by nature. Most of them are quite satisfied with this arrangement.
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