Ultimate shoulder rides

Manchair · 2017-04-16 09:27:42

A question for my fellow ponies, and I guess a lot of riders would be able to give tips too:

I'm quite new to this, so I'm wondering: how do you get stronger, and more able? Obviously, lifting stuff (and ideally riders) is part of it, but do you do any special exercises to help?

Also, would be interested to know if there are things that help more for specific rides... Does the shoulder ride require different exercises from all 4s?

Any tips/ training experiences from either rider or pony welcome.

Audreyb · 2017-04-17 21:53:22

I'm not that experienced but I imagine that you would have someone you can trust sit on your shoulders in while you are in a stationary position. I think that the person sitting on your shoulders should be willing to sit there on a regular schedule ,perhaps extending each session by several minutes . You could be sitting on something sturdy enough to hold your weight and her/his weight of course . I might imagine that in this stationary position, the person sitting on you could be heavier than the average size of the person you are considering as a rider.

There are probably back exercises and leg exercises that you could do to strengthen your back and legs to avoid injuring your spine. If you have experienced carrying someone on your hands and knees, I know that your back in that position can handle the stress of someone sitting on it far easier than lifting someone vertically on your shoulders. The danger to your back is much greater with your back arched in a vertical lift position.

Once you are fully upright with your rider sitting comfortably, the stress on your spine is downward and unless the rider is very heavy, the strain should be minimal. Try to instruct the rider to sit as vertical as possible when you walk with him/her on your shoulders. If the rider leans forward to much, it will be hard to keep your balance. In time, your back should be strong enough to bow your head , allowing your rider to sit more forward so your shoulders support his/her buttocks , relieving your rider's discomfort of supporting her/his weight on his thighs.

I hope a more experience rider and carrier can give you more complete advice.

trigger · 2017-04-18 07:25:45

Hi

Though I will also be interested to know how to give Longer Rides being a Carrier.

- I can give more longer shoulder rides as compare to All 4s.
Heaviest Rider i have carried was an Amazon Girl from America here in New Delhi, she was 95 kg.
I gave her quite number of rounds in the room on shoulder...in which i was ok, but yes if i have to extend it to even 10 min of continuous shoulder ride, i would have given up.

I keep giving rides in breaks.

- Now if you talk of All 4s, my performance is not as per my expectations, Heaviest being the same girl - 95 kg...though i given her 2 Full rounds of a 2 BHK House, my knees were in so much pain.

- I want to try giving rides in Outdoors both on shoulders or All 4s but yes to increase the Strength is a major issue.

- I think by giving more and more rides, by Practice, one can overcome pain but for that a regular rider is needed which I miss so much.

- There was one girl - Wildfire Girl she was having amazing strength while giving rides

- Any suggestions will be welcome

Thanks.

Alex · 2017-04-18 21:36:28

Hi

from a carriers perspective I think it really comes down to two factors/areas that are both important when trying to satisfy your riders demand: strength and endurance.

As for the first, strength is needed to better support your riders weight, to balance your moves, to be a better seat (broad shoulders with muscles are better to sit on than small ones) and to also have that extra spare energy to save and recover yourself (and your rider!) from falling in extreme conditions. I have been ridden for several years and while I cannot really recommend a specific exercise, I noticed some things that really helped me get along: Any sports that utilize your back, chest and neck can be recommended. I started rowing way before I was ridden the first time and ever since then never stopped. I'm just saying that because even tho I do not have any issues with back pain, I sometimes have sore neck muscles and that worn out feeling in the neck area after longer rides. So this is probably an area that is not covered by rowing I guess so

Also like Audrey pointed out, have your rider sit on your shoulders and neck (head bend forward) often and in increasing intervals really helps building more neck muscles. My rider started to also use my shoulders and neck as a seat on a lot of occasions, for instance when watching TV, when sitting in front of her desk using her laptop etc. While this is really exhausting at first, I can really recommend this as it will strengthen your neck muscles .. and it is a nice implicit way to remind you where your place is.

As for endurance, i guess we all sometimes underestimate how important that is. Some of the strongest carriers I've seen struggle to carry their rider because they first manage to get them up on their shoulders with ease but then fail to keep them up there for long because of no or little endurance. I would even say that endurance&will can compensate strength to some extend. For example sometimes during concerts you can see smaller guys holding up their girlfriends for quite some extended time which is impressive I think. Endurance itself I believe can be gathered best by jogging, cycling, cross-country skiing, swimming etc.

Alex

checkmateguy · 2017-04-18 23:50:17

Manchair:

You asked for tips from carriers, but here's a few tips from a rider. If you are new to carrying a person on your shoulders (and from what I've heard carrying a person who is sat astride your shoulders is easier and less exhausting that carrying someone who is sat on and riding on your back while you crawl round on all-fours). you need to develop the strength to (1) lift your rider up onto your shoulders and (2) carry him or her around on your shoulders for a reasonable amount of time.

Ideally, to train a would-be carrier, regular lifting exercises in a gym or roomy place such as a large garage is needed. A regular routine can also be fun and a great way to get fit/keep fit. If I was training a carrier from scratch, I'd arrange to meet up with him (it's likely to be a 'him' rather than a 'her') probably after work for a one-hour work-out.

I'd get the carrier to sit on a bench and then I'd mount his shoulders, sitting astride them. The carrier would need to get used to the feeling and sensation of a person sat astride his shoulders. Next comes weight-bearing - that's to say get him used to finding out what the weight of a rider feels like. So, while he was sat on the bench with me sat astride his shoulders, I'd let my legs hang down loose either side of him. He would then experience what it feels like to have the weight of the rider pressing down on his shoulders and with the rider's crotch pressing up against the back of his neck.

One useful ability that every carrier should try and develop is the ability to lift their rider up onto their shoulders. The way a lift is done is for the rider to stand with his/her feet apart and, with the carrier standing behind them, let the carrier push his head between their thighs and then just 'hook' and 'lift' the rider up on the back of their neck and then their shoulders in one smooth lifting move. The carrier's legs need to be strong (get them stronger but doing up/down squat exercises with the legs slightly apart) and the carrier's back also needs to be strengthened by exercises as does the carrier's shoulders.

The training sessions would continue by getting the carrier to regularly carry the rider around on his shoulders, maybe round and round the perimeter of the gym or large room. The rider would just sit on the carrier's shoulders while the carrier carried the rider around fairly slowly around the perimeter of the room. Carrying the rider at a fairly slow pace would mean that the carrier could keep going for a reasonable training period, say, 20 minutes. Within a few weeks the carrier would/should develop the stamina and skill to carry a rider safely for a reasonable period of time.

Another skill a carrier should try and develop too is the 'drop-off.' This occurs at the end of a shoulder-ride when a carrier should be able to bend forward slowly and let the rider slid off the carrier's shoulders over the carrier's head.

After a carrier has gained the necessary carrying skills, he'll probably want to gain further experience by giving shoulder-rides to a variety of riders who are likely to want to ride him in different ways. There is, for example, the 'loose-leg' shoulder-riding style where the rider likes to ride on the carrier's shoulders with his or her legs hanging loose and his or her crotch pressed fairly hard up to the back of the carrier's neck. The most common (or traditional) shoulder-riding position is where the shoulder-rider sit astride the carrier's shoulders with his or her feet tucked in behind the carrier's ribs. Again, in this position, the rider's crotch is often pressed up against the back of the carrier's neck. To prevent 'crotch-chaffing,' the carrier is advised to wear a high collar garment or wear a scarf that covers the back of his neck. Some riders, usually dominant ones, like to ride a carrier in a position where they are sat forward on the back of the carrier's neck which means that the carrier's head is pushed downwards. If a carrier is being rode in this way and the rider has his or her feet tucked right back behind the carrier's ribs then the carrier usually get exhausted fairly quickly - and some riders intentionally want this to happen. This sort of ride is often called a 'punishment ride.'

Finally, most experienced carriers want to seek out challenging riders with whom they can test their carrying abilities and endurance. So heavy female riders, for example, present an ideal challenge and, indeed, a thrill for carriers who have a propensity for this sort of thing. Another challenging sort of riders are dominant males who will ride a carrier hard and unmercifully. For carriers who are somewhat masochistic and who'd like to give a shoulder-ride to a very heavy female but who do not have the strength to actually lift them or carrying them, they can instead just sit on a bench or sturdy seat and let the very heavy female mount them and just sit there astride their shoulders. Another variation is 'two-somes' where couples meet up on a regular basis (usually man/woman couples) and they spend the afternoon or evening with the male partners giving the females shoulder-rides.

Audreyb · 2017-04-24 14:23:18

checkmateguy:

I find your views on this activity more interesting than some other because you obviously see shoulder riding as a form of domination, which I believe is at the core of the activity when pursued beyond the occasional amusement or purely utilitarian purposes.
I imagine that in some cases of utilitarian shoulder sitting and riding, either the rider or carrier might see themselves in a dominant/submissive position, based on their personal proclivity as well.

I can also fully understand and appreciate the thrill of sitting astride the muscular shoulders of a powerful creature who willingly serves you as well as a comparatively weaker one who straining or struggling is also a sign of his submission to your superiority .

I feel at something of a loss, being far less experienced in this matter in regard to disagreeing with you on any aspect, and for the most part I don't and I have stated very much the same views in this thread and in previous posts.

I do see some value in riding in the all fours/hands and knees position in regard to increasing the potential endurance of a carrier. It's true of course that the distances covered when sitting on someone in this position are comparatively short and the position is impractical for an outdoor activity, it can ,I believe , be beneficial to the overall endurance of the carrier while being somewhat less taxing on the rider who can sit more comfortably for a longer period of time.
Obviously different muscle groups are involved, but the overall endurance of the carrier is still being increased by bearing the weight of rider. The rider can sit, move and change positions without concerning her/himself about balance or circulation to the riders legs as may be the case when sitting for a long period on someone's shoulders which is something I found uncomfortable when sitting for a long period on a man's shoulders at concerts.

checkmateguy · 2017-04-24 23:13:26

AudreyB: one likely reason why you felt discomfort in your legs after sitting astride your pony-guy after a while is that the backs of your thighs were probably pressing down relatively hard on the pony-guy's shoulders.

The answer to this problem is (1) try moving about occasionally instead of sitting still and (2) best of all is to sit on the pony-guy's shoulders in a forward position with your knees pointing downwards and with your legs hanging down loose either side of the pony-guy's body. Sat in this position will mean that your crotch will be pressed tightly up against the back of the pony-guy's neck. His head might/probably will be forced forward and downwards when you are sat astride his shoulders in this position.

To improve or maintain the circulation in your thighs and legs you will only need to sit on his shoulders in this position for fairly short periods of time. I would guess from what you say is that you sit/ride on your pony-guy's shoulders in the traditional/normal style which is with your thighs more or less in the horizontal position, and with your crotch probably not pressed up against the back of the pony-guy's neck, so that your weight is pressed down on the backs of your mid thighs on the pony-guy's shoulders.

Riding/sitting forward on your pony-guy's shoulders in an assertive position should/will improve your comfort and, with your crotch pressed up tightly to the back of the pony-guy's neck, might/probably will add to your enjoyment of the ride. Remember that it is the rider's comfort and enjoyment which is paramount in shoulder-riding. The function of ponies, alas maybe, are to be used (and even abused) by their riders and that often means that they are destined to suffer discomfort while under the weight and dominance of their riders.

Audreyb · 2017-04-25 14:04:14

checkmateguy:

Thank you , and I completely agree with the reasons for my discomfort when sitting on him for a long period. Had my carrier been a submissive assigned to the task I would have required more of him and positioned him so that I sat on him more comfortably.
As it was however, I was younger and inexperienced and the man I was sitting on was my date for the concert and not particularly submissive. I was somewhat demanding of him as it was and managed to coax his compliance in spending so much time beneath me even when he became quite tired and uncomfortable himself. I saw his efforts as a favor at the time and didn't consider denying him a view of the performance, which would have been the case if I had been sitting more forward on his neck. He was over 6 ft. tall , which allowed me a good vantage point which I would have been denied if I wasn't perched on top of him.
Last year, when I was on the shoulders of my friend's "slave", I didn't demand to much at first, but at my friend's insistence, I became more assertive and made my carrier look down so I could sit on his neck , forward enough so his shoulders supported my buttocks and I was actually properly sitting on him rather than resting my weight on the back of my thighs.
This is the position I would assume whenever practical in all future rides.

Alex · 2017-04-25 23:49:08

From my own experience, having someone ride your neck is getting painful real quick and i also feel that this position is probably the one that exhausts me the most (also judging from the sore muscles I keep having for 2-3 days after a ride like that). So the more I suffer, the more I know she is sitting comfortably on top - which is also part of the sensation I get when she is sitting forward enough on my neck. Maybe we should be thinking of trainings to strengthen especially the ponys neck muscles? Sometimes I think this can be done by riding even more (and longer) in that position?

Audrey, I like your comment regarding the position on all fours. While this is not your favourite position to cover longer distances as you said, i regularly find myself on all fours with her on top during winter times. I really enjoy the feeling of her sitting astride on my back which seems to be a position where she is sitting more comfortable than on my shoulders for longer period of times. She also uses to move hear seat to sit more forward on my shoulder blades, neck or uses to sit on my back 'sidesaddle' - which is, strangely, the most straining situation for my arms. Also since she is riding real horses she often says on all fours she can also apply some of the riding techniques she would use on real horses such as apply leg aids and "using her seat" .. or whatever that is called. I wouldn't need to know the names method anyway, i need to know how to respond only After all you are right, on all fours depending on where you sit, you also strengthen the ponys neck, back or leg muscles. Having spend an evening on all fours under her I usually feel as if I just got home from an extended rowing session. Another thing is the pain in your knees which you dont have to wait for long. Having hurting knees is something that happens also rather fast as trigger and also other ponys reported.

Audreyb · 2017-04-26 05:18:06

Alex:

I'm of the opinion that anything that increases the endurance of a person in regard to any athletic endeavor would be helpful and carrying another person on one's shoulders would qualify as athletic .
This is why I believe that riding or simply sitting on the back of someone in the hands and knees position would be helpful. The only problem or draw back I can see in this is the possible damage to the carrier's knees which are not designed for long periods of pressure in this position.
I think that problem can be solved by commercially available knee pads wore by carpenters and carpet installers among other laborers , which I found have the added advantage of elevating the knees a bit and making the person's back more level and comfortable to sit upon.

Clearly ,the most beneficial position is for the carrier to be sat upon in the upright position even if the carrier is seated and stationary as checkmateguy pointed out. I must assume that bearing the weight of the person would aid in the carrier acquiring muscle memory in this position.
However, this position can also become rather taxing and even boring over an extended period of time and limits the rider/sitter's options to just sitting astride his shoulders and/or his neck.

If I'm sitting on his back, I can sit astride or side saddle, cross my legs etc. and carry on any activity I might normally do while sitting down. My clothing options are less limited as well and his endurance in bearing my weight can be taken beyond his comfort zone.
I might also increase his endurance by having heavier people sit on him so that his endurance develops beyond withstanding my weight.

Beyond that, I remember a video on the internet of a man sitting on the back of another man's head and being lifted by the man's neck muscles. The man was lifting his rider in the hands and knees position and I imagine that this would strengthen the neck muscles. I honestly don't know whether this would be helpful in regard to the carrier looking down to provide and a more comfortable seat on his shoulders. I think the only solution to the potential chaffing of the rider's clothing on the carrier's neck would be softer clothing or some kind of covering on his neck.

Alex · 2017-04-26 22:25:17

Audrey:

I fully agree with your opinion about (shoulder-)riding or simply sitting on the back of someone helps to increase endurance. That is most likely something all of us noticed theirselves or observed when they sat on top. And thank you for the suggestion of using those carpenter knee pads. Once I was using knee pads that came bundled with the pair of inline skates I got and I cannot really recommend that experience. At some point it was obvious that those were designed to be used when skating and the cups inside those pads made it even more worse when using them on all fours. On top of that my rider complained about that sound those pads made on the floor while crawling - ever since then I stopped using them. Also I sometimes have the impression she enjoys riding me on floor tiles, parquet floor and areas in her place that really hurt my knees more than for instance carpet would do. Its hard to tell if she's really enjoying it or not and I do not have a choice of where i would like to crawl anyways, but to be honest I hope she does enjoy it. For me that is the satisfaction of suffering to let her sit comfortably on top. Or to put it in a more abstract-idealistic view: She can remain seated comfortably and chooses to go wherever she would like to go without having to get up, no matter what the floor looks like or how much it is hurting me. Anyways.. im getting carried away! I'll make sure to try the carpenters knee pads you suggested!

Besides increasing endurance and strength, I believe there is also another positive thing when sitting on a carriers shoulders stationary or using his back to sit on and that is about the mindset of the pony/carrier (and the rider). Being ridden and sit on for an extended period of time changes your mind and your thinking after a while. For example I often notice how I start to more frequently think of how to even further enhance her experience on top by maybe slightly adjusting myself so she has a better seat or offering something I can do (such as things that help her with whatever she is doing while sitting on top). For that reason, I like what you said about carrying on any activity you normally do while sitting down. That is exactly how I feel after having spent an evening with her sitting and riding on top: I start to perceive myself as a beast of burden.. as a an object, almost reduced to nothing more than a .. seat. This may sound funny but most carriers have been to the point where the need of getting up, the thought of asking your rider to dismount is that omnipresent but yet they continue to serve their riders until fully exhausted. Often then I use to stay on all fours, even after she dismounted, only then to realize that some moments later she comes back sitting down again on my back just like she would sit down on any ordinary chair..

One last comment about the video you saw on the internet. You happen to remember where you saw it? This must have been for sure an impressive sight and a demonstration of a very well trained set of neck muscles. He was sitting on the back of the other persons head perfectly balanced with his full weight or did he assist somehow with his feet on the floor? I can imagine that this exercise will be a very good training (or a good way to get you impaired when done wrong) but i doubt that it can be repeated more than once or very often in a short amount of time. My rider often sits on my neck riding me that way for various reasons and that really causes me to remember every second of it - even days after the ride. And about the chaffing of the neck by the way, there is hardly anything that will prevent it completely, I think. In the end clothes (even the most soft ones) always cause friction on the skin especially on sweat skin.. so I think us ponys will have to live with more or less reddened neck skin.

Audreyb · 2017-04-27 14:49:16

Alex:

I think I saw that video on YouTube but it was a while back and I'm really not sure. The boy sitting on the other guy's head was facing toward his back and did not have his feet on the floor. The boy was rather thin but it was clear that he was sitting with all of his weight on the other guy's head.

I don't think I'm assuming to much in my take that your relationship with the lady who rides you is one of dominance (her) and submission (you), which I have no problem with. People enjoy what they enjoy and as I have stated many time, every action is only what each individual puts into it and imagines it to be. Your lady seems to prefer that you feel some discomfort in your activity and since you submit to this, you prefer it either because you enjoy it, or because you prefer it to whatever alternative may be involved. Certainly, being used by her as a chair is comparatively mild as dominant/submissive relationships go.

If I were training someone to carry me and withstand my weight on his shoulders or back, his enjoyment (if any) would not be a consideration. When I considered him at all it would be to increase his endurance and at times he would not be considered as anything beyond an object .
If he is to serve me , my feelings of possible empathy would be an impairment to his training and I would also being doing a disservice to myself. Whether his task is as a beast of burden or as stationary furniture, the experience is artificial if I don't see myself as superior to him just as I would see myself as superior to a horse I might ride or a chair I'm sitting on.
Anyone who sees this as wrong, should not engage in such activities.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-02 23:18:16

The guy in the video you were writing about is (or was) a student from Taiwan called god524... (I can't remember the actual numbers he used but the sequence started with '52.')

At the time, about 5 or 6 years ago, he was 19 and teamed up with another student who was, to use the jargon, his 'sub' whom he shoulder-rode, sometimes tied with ropes and blindfolded. He had a rather brutal riding style and liked to run up to the seated sub guy and jump astride his shoulders. You could almost hear the crunch of bones as the dominant guy landed astride the sub guy (and ponies on this forum think they have a hard time!)

The video Aubreyb was writing about showed the sub guy down on all-fours with the dom guy sat astride the sub guy's neck, first sat facing towards the back of the sub guy then sat forward facing. The sub guy was required to lift the dom guy up and down on the back of his neck which he did very compliantly. Anyone viewing this video will see evidence that the dom guy had a gratifying reaction from riding on the back of the sub guy's neck in this way... I'll say no more!

I saved some of his videos because they were very well videoed in terms of lighting and atmospherically - almost art-quality had not the subject been shoulder-riding. Any members here interested in viewing what videos might remain on the internet can go to VK (the Russian version of Facebook). You might have to join VK. You could also view them on Pornhub but they might no longer be on there. I have a feeling that god5247... might now have a rather good graduate job and might prefer to erase his shoulder-riding past...! Saying that, he was a terrific shoulder-riding dom. I learned everything from him. Wicked me, eh?

Audreyb · 2017-05-03 15:23:01

checkmateguy:

Thank you, that sounds like the video I was talking about. I can't say I remember if the boy who was sitting on the other one's neck was obviously excited sexually but in a way, I think it would be rather unfortunate if he wasn't. The boy under him may have enjoyed being dominated even under the strain, but whether the underling enjoyed or simply submitted to his position, the master (god?) should enjoy whatever aspect of it appealed to him in whatever way it did.

I have often noticed even seemingly heterosexual males showing obvious arousal when sitting astride another male , even occasionally in the aftermath of a wrestling match, playful or otherwise when sitting on the loser's chest. Intimacy takes many forms and isn't always mutual.

I don't think you could disagree that the feeling of dominance and control of another person, consensual or not has an erotic appeal for either or both parties involved, or to some observers as well.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-04 22:14:49

The actual name is god524057. I've always admired the stamina of submissive guys who prefer the role of ponies. The partner of god524057 is one such strong and hardy pony-guy.

In the video that audreyb mentioned, it starts with god524057 sitting astride the sub guy's neck facing the back of the sub guy. In this position the sub guy lifts god524057 up and down on the back of his neck which isn't too difficult because god524057 leans forward slightly over the sub guy's back. In this video, god524057 is wearing black shorts.

However, when god524057 reverses the position and sits astride the back of the sub guy's neck in the front forward position, his weight is down on the sub guy's neck. As he sits in this position, god524057 makes the sub guy lift his head up and down repeatedly which means he is lifting god524057 up and down on the back of his neck. To add to the sub guy's strain and his ordeal, god524057 is sat astride the sub guy's neck with his legs dangling down loose. The means that the sub guy had to lift the whole of god524057's weight up and down on the back of his neck. In the background there is a large electric fan whirling away. As the sub guy was probably sweating profusely as he lifted god524057 in this way the fan was definitely needed!

Audreyb · 2017-05-05 16:06:14

checkmateguy:

Yes, that is very likely the video I was talking about. The boy sitting on the lifter was thin and I think Asian. The guy he was sitting on was obviously straining, which made it more interesting, for me at least. The lifter didn't seem that strong in my estimation but of course looks can be deceiving. In retrospect, I can't help but wonder if he could have performed his task if someone your size were sitting on him or even me.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-06 00:19:23

Both the guys (sitter and carrier) were skinny student-type guys. At the time, a few years ago, they were aged about 19 I'd guess. They are both Taiwanese (Chinese).

Members here have probably noticed that on the internet, and in groups, certain personalities and their antics last for just a while, maybe a year or two but sometimes longer, and then they disappear. God524057 and his carrier were two such personalities. What fascinated me about god524057's submissive carrier was that he was so compliant and passive, erotically so. God524057 treated him and used him like a sex slave. He'd jump onto his shoulders and ride around on his shoulders too. He even sat on his poor carrier's face! And while doing so he stared at the camera in a defiant way as if to say 'What are you looking at?' And the most amazing thing is that the carrier probably wanted god524057 to use him in that way.

Have you found your sex slave yet, Aubreyb? Saying that, have any members on this forum found their pony sex slave? Now or in the past?

Alex · 2017-05-07 20:19:17

Audrey,

it is hard to tell if someone else than that 19-year old could have taken his seat on the back of his head, but I think it's doable. Especially since that pony is reported to be strong like checkmateguy pointed out. From my experience, I can tell that i have never been ridden in such a way, but as I said she sits on my neck quite often riding me around on all fours. Im 89kg - she is around 61 kg. And yes, this is a very straining task, simply because you have to keep her up and support her with mostly neck muscles only and its also really troublesome to balance yourself with her sitting so far in front of your neck. Most of the time I try hard not to fall forward and try to be a comfortable ride for her at the same time.. After all maybe I should ask her to move a bit more forward to sit on the back of my head?

So while I havent been exactly in that position I experienced the 'opposite' one quite often: Me sitting on the floor, leaning slightly backwards, hands down behind me on the floor, tipped head back looking straight up to the ceiling and she sat on my face using it as a chair until I literally had to beg her to dismount.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-07 23:07:53

Did she sit with her bottom on your face or the other way round?

Alex · 2017-05-09 19:55:46

preferably she sits with her bottom on my face, but also favours other positions often

Manchair · 2017-05-12 20:34:05

How I loved GOD 524...'s videos. Seeing that skinny guy control the bigger guy was incredibly hot. I remember one where the guy was blindfolded and just spent the entire clip licking the dom guy's feet. I wonder what happened to him? Being someone's slave like that - really erotic. Alex, I loved your description of the rider who just gets up, walks away, and comes back and sits on you.

I have lifted a couple of guys now, but do want to get stronger. A lot of it seems to be thigh strength for shoulder rides. I thought they were strong enough to stand up, with a heavier guy on my shoulders - but I think it needs some more work. Using the machine at the gym is the boring way, of course.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-15 22:39:26

Yes, god524057 was (probably still is) into feet. Having your feet licked seems to be a Far Eastern thing (or fetish, to use the correct term). Shoulder-riding was god524057's passion and he developed it into an art form. He was able to control his submissive pony-guy and ride around on him with absolute power. It was amazing to watch one human being exert total power over another human being (albeit the submissive guy was a very willing participant).
There are some members in this Forum who are long-term carriers and as a result they have probably developed all the right muscles in all the right places (legs, shoulders, back and neck too maybe) to be able to give their riders a really good ride. So that's the answer if you want an answer to how to lift and carry riders - the more you do it the better you get. And giving shoulder-rides is a lot more fun than working out in a sweaty-smelling gym... and it's cheaper!!!

ali2121 · 2017-05-16 20:36:31

Yes,I can confirm that feet licking is a Far Eastern fetish,having performed that task in Hong Kong a couple of years ago.

Audreyb · 2017-05-17 03:53:56

checkmateguy:

I'm not looking for a "slave" at this time. I have several willingly submissive men I date who will submit to whatever I ask and that is really all I have time for. I have had "slaves" in the past and found they generally take up to much of my time, begging to submit and serve and becoming rather demanding and possessive.

As for god524057's attitude when sitting on his slaves face, I would contend that his implied "what are you looking at" is rather justified. Obviously sitting on another person's face is fun of course, but it also implies the superiority of the master in relationship to the slave. The power to demand the obedience of another person who is willing to endure discomfort and perhaps even pain without reward beyond serving as the master chooses is stimulating. Surely you must have felt that way when you have been seated on the shoulders ,back or chest etc. of a willing submissive?

While you may admire the stamina of god524057's slave, I see god524057 as the admirable one.
His power to control and willingness to assert his desires on his slave is admirable and stimulating.

Audreyb · 2017-05-18 05:39:22

Alex:

Yes I suppose it is "doable" as you say. Your wife is only about 10 pounds heavier than I am and most men should be able to withstand an average woman's weight. Your wife seems to be quite assertive in your activities , which is not a criticism on my part but rather the opposite. I would find sitting on a man's neck as you described rather uncomfortable for any extended period of time . I would assume that this preference on her part is intended to make her ride more difficult for you.

Again, I emphasize I'm not implying any disapproval of her choices. Much like in the case of god524057, she holds herself in high enough esteem to expect or even demand the compliance of her underling (you in this case) obviously including the strain of bearing her weight when she sits on your neck or on your face as you described. I believe that a master/mistress must use her/his underling in any way he/she finds enjoyable ,even without regard to the underlings strain or discomfort because doing otherwise is dishonest. Obviously some restraint in some actions to avoid injuring the underling must be considered. But a degree of selfishness on the part of the master/mistress is quite acceptable and even proper in my opinion.

Alex · 2017-05-18 22:29:03

Audrey,

thanks, I pretty much enjoy reading your thoughts as they will allow me to get an idea of what her feelings and thoughts are when she's sitting on top. A lot of time when she is sitting or riding on my neck it is situational: For example, I was sitting on the floor, head leaned forward, her being on top and then instead of getting up and walk she remains seated and commands me to get on all fours and crawl. That's often how she ends up riding my neck. I have the feeling that for her it became something natural. Why getting up when you can sit on top and let others carry you instead. So while riding on the neck might not be the most comfortable position, I think she clearly prefers that instead of walking and I also agree with you that the added effect of causing me pain is something that is fun or at least amuses her.

Some might say she is lazy but I really think this is not about lazyness but more about her having the right to do whatever she thinks is best for her in that situation. And even after an evening spent with her sitting and riding on top in various positions I still do not question any of her actions. To be honest, after an eternity (when in fact only 2 or 3 hours have passed) my only wish is of course that she eventually would get up and let me rest but even than I have never had the slightest doubt that she was doing the right thing. That is probably because being ridden and get sit on for longer amount of times is something that changes your mind and thoughts when done often (being facesit for instance only speeds up that process). At least it for sure will change the way how you think of her and you start (over)glorifying the person on top which is in fact humiliating you down to a point where your only purpose is to be a good seat and beast of burden. Believe it or not but THAT is exactly what makes me feel so thankful. Being used by her that way is what makes me feel grateful and makes me wish to repeat that experience over and over again.

Audreyb · 2017-05-19 18:27:21

Alex:

In spite of the current feminism, most women know that equality of the sexes is on a par, not equality in physicality. Men are naturally stronger and faster than women in general. There are of course exceptions, but the rule is that men are more physically capable , even if the woman happens to be physically larger than the man.

I for one and quite happy with this simple reality as it is more exciting and interesting to control a creature (in this case a man) who is more physically powerful than myself and to have him endure more than he would otherwise choose to endure in his efforts to please me.

I am not implying that women riding on men is the only proper relationship in saying this.
Riders and carriers may be of either gender and any sexual orientation and their choices are not , and should not be subject to anyone else's point of view. The only limitations I see as being considered would be the physical ability of the carrier (within reason) and of course consent, whether willing, coerced or implied. For example, some women or men may enjoy shoulder or pony riding on someone who is smaller or weaker and struggles to serve as the carrier.
Also, as in the situation such as when I was riding on the shoulders of a gay man who carried me as a service to my gay male friend , his consent to serve as my carrier was coerced rather than willing.

checkmateguy · 2017-05-26 23:18:19

Audreyb: on the subject of facesitting, here in the UK people, if they wanted to, could happily sit on each other's faces as much as they liked or wanted to and may well have done that for centuries for all I know... until a few years ago. Then these happy facesitters were hit by a disaster - because our last but one prime minister brought in a law banning facesitting. How outrageous, eh? Why the UK government decided to use a lot of parliamentary time and resources to ban this albeit rather odd activity I don't know. Facesitting is not a subject that you'd think would be uppermost in the collective mind of a government. Will our government ban shoulder-riding next... ?

The reason that a specific law has to be enacted in the UK to ban something is that under English law you can do anything you want unless it is forbidden by law. That's why the English are regarded as rather eccentric (i.e. slightly mad.) In continental Europe the law's different. You can only do what is permitted by law. So if there's no law that say Europeans can ride around on each other's shoulders then to do so would be illegal. The law in totalitarian countries is different again. People in these countries can/must do only what is specified by law.

At the moment in England (and it's hot here today!) I can ride around on my pony-guy's shoulders out in the forest near where I live and it's legal to do that... so far! If our kinky politicians change the law and ban shoulder-riding then it's likely to become a secret 'underground' activity.

To get back to the very first post in this long thread and the question asked: one good way to build up strength and stamina to carry a person on your shoulders is to do weight training that builds up your shoulder muscles. Go to a gym and use your arms to push up a bar with weights on. A cheaper and more fun way to build up your strength is to... find someone who will ride around on your shoulders!

Audreyb · 2017-05-28 07:26:27

checkmateguy:

I was unaware of this law in the U.K. and I must say I'm rather surprised, amused and annoyed all at the same time. I can't imagine your P.M. or parliament even bringing up the subject for consideration or imagining how it could be enforced.

I'm somewhat amused because while I discovered the act of sitting on another person's face completely on my own ,without example or instructions, I learned the term "queening" from a very nice middle aged British lady who mentored me to some degree in regard to sexual domination and control and influenced my attitudes and views. In her terms, "queening" was not exclusively sitting on someone's face (though it was mainly) but applied to sitting on his chest or back as well , in effect objectifying the person beneath you serving as your seat. She had a submissive male companion traveling with her at the time who obeyed her without question or complaint and I witnessed her use of him several times.
I rather liked the term "queening" and the implied superiority in the act though I don't imagine sitting on someone's face as being exclusively female on male or specifically heterosexual.
I can't help but wonder if this covers the sexual position or any act that has one person's buttocks resting on another person's face. I must say that in my opinion, who is sitting on who, where and how should be exclusively the business of the people involved.

I tend to stay out of the politics of other countries, but I find this ridiculous. Based exclusively on what I have personally witnessed, several of my gay male friends and at least half of my female friends would be in prison in the U.K. and frankly, I would be serving a life sentence.

Audreyb · 2017-05-29 03:44:32

checkmateguy:

Forgive this follow-up, but I have to ask if you know if this anti facesitting law has ever been enforced regarding anyone violating it? I'm trying to imagine how it could be enforced .
Since I have the impression from several of your previous posts that you are often dominant in your sexual relationships, sitting on your underlings face is a possibility or at least a consideration. I have to assume that there are limits to the number of bedroom police keeping tabs on the acts of consenting adults.

checkmateguy · 2017-06-07 23:22:34

AubreyB

When this crazy new law was proposed by the UK government, there were demonstrations outside our parliament which included many acts of face-sitting. As you might imagine, the media totally loved the opportunity to photograph and write about (mostly) woman (most of whom were sex workers) who were blatantly sat on men's faces and doing that right outside of parliament and in public. Face-sitting, at that time, wasn't outlawed of course. But, once the law was passed, anyone sitting on a person's face in public in the UK are looking at the possibility of a jail sentence.

Here in the UK, and in England in particular, we like to think that we do kinkiness better than other nation. Saying that, some of the Far East countries might do kinkiness even better than we Brits. Incidentally, face-sitting (in private) is one of my favourite passions!

So what was the reason for this new law? Well, we had a very kinky drug-taking senior politician in our last government who liked to associate with prostitutes. Maybe he had a bad face-sitting experience with one of these ladies? Who knows? Apparently, these professional 'working girls' say quite a few of their clients like to be face-sat amongst other 'treats' they offer So my own opinion it was he who proposed the introduction of the law. Happily, he's not in our government anymore otherwise he might have proposed outlawing shoulder riding in public.

On the subject of shoulder riding in public: here in the UK we're pretty laid back but if age-inappropriate shoulder riding took place in public where there were family groups, for example, and the age-inappropriate pair were two middle-aged men, then it's likely the police would 'advise' the two men to stop what they were doing by using the general public order laws. Probably the same could be said of other countries where age-inappropriate couple (man on man or woman on man) were riding around in public on another's shoulders. They can do that, of course, and there are videos which show that happening but they are at risk of being cautioned by the police if a complaint is made. The only places were shoulder riding can safely take place in public are at public sporting events and music festivals and the like.

Audreyb · 2017-06-09 14:06:44

checkmateguy:

As I said, I normally stay out of the politics of other countries as I see this as an intrusion and believe that the people have the right to fight their own battles in regard to government intrusions. With that said, I'm not in the sex industry, but if I were British, I would have joined those demonstrating and brought a man willing to have his face serve as my seat. I'm normally rather guarded concerning my identity for business reasons, but I feel quite strongly about private matters being private and exempt from such intrusion by government.

I share your passion for sitting on a partner's face in private and probably enjoy some of the same aspects of the position. My gay male friends are also quite open about their enjoyment of this position and talk about it without reservation, sometimes in detail. As for your former parliament member possibly having a bad experience, perhaps if the prostitute had sat on him long enough your country wouldn't have had to endure such silliness .
In light of recent events ,the concert bombing and the London truck attack, I would think that your lawmakers would have more important concerns than who is sitting on who and where.

checkmateguy · 2017-06-09 22:50:40

Audreyb

We might have a vacancy for a new prime minister here in the UK soon. Feel free to come over and apply, Audreyb.

Not a UK citizen? Not a problem. We'll give you a title (Baroness Aubreyb) and stick you in our House of Lords. You can run the UK from there (and maybe you can bring in a compulsory shoulder-riding day as a special holiday in the UK!)

Audreyb · 2017-06-10 02:29:54

checkmateguy:

Or maybe I should become the queen in a special "queening" ceremony ? Forgive me, I just couldn't resist.

If I were in charge I would declare a holiday for every kink and fetish that didn't cause serious harm or involve minors.
Complete with parades and floats celebrating England's role as the world's leader in sexual liberation.

ezpony · 2017-09-26 22:48:04

In my experience it is the strength of the neck muscles that is the limiting factor in shoulder riding. Most riders I have had liked to push my head a bit forward so that they could sit comfortably on my neck and shoulders. This puts a static strain on the neck muscles that can lead to a shortening of the ride because the pony/carrier will break down sooner. On the other hand, sitting only on shoulders can lead to numbnes in the legs of the rider. I had a rider who enjoyed long rides and she once tried to see for how long she could ride me if she didn't "neck ride". After about 25 minutes she had to stop because her legs were hurting. Since then she would alternate between "neck riding" and "shoulder riding" to make sure she got a both long an comfortable ride.

Audreyb · 2017-09-28 04:37:31

ezpony:

I agree with your point and I have experienced that numbness in my legs, particularly when sitting on the shoulders of a man in a stationary situation, like at a concert or parade etc.
When riding on the shoulders of a man who was moving it was somewhat better but still not nearly as comfortable as when I was sitting on him with my bottom resting and supported by his shoulders. Obviously this means his head was facing the ground.

If I'm empathetic to the carrier , I would prefer a shorter ride with my weight supported by his neck and shoulders.
I have mused that perhaps the perfect carrier would be a strong hunchback so the rider could sit comfortably on his shoulders and back while he walked in more or less his normal position.
I don't know if such an arrangement would be practical concerning the physiology involved, but for the rider at least it would appear to be a comfortable position.

ezpony · 2017-09-28 18:39:42

AudreyB, I have seen pictures of human ponies wearing shoulder saddles attached to the back of their shoulders - sort of similar to a hunched back.

I can add that mixing neck riding with shoulder riding was the choice of my rider. It was in the nature of our relationship that I had nothing to say about this. My rider asked how she could get a very long ride and I told her about the differende between neck riding and shoulder riding from the pony's perspective. The rest was up to her.

Audreyb · 2017-09-29 04:38:41

Ezpony:

I believe that for the activity to be enjoyed by the rider, she/he should always be in charge, at least when riding. When riding a real horse one doesn't just sit on him and let him wander as he chooses.

Since the relationship between the rider and carrier is mutually consensual in most cases, the conditions should be to the rider's advantage , or as much so as the circumstances will allow.
Your rider made her choice concerning the duration of the ride and the compromise in her position in favor of a longer period. I'm not attempting to discount her choice at all but I prefer quality over quantity and I would rather sit comfortably over the entire ride.

As for saddles, I have seen various versions of such things on the internet and on TV talk shows.
Frankly, I wouldn't feel comfortable or secure sitting on any I have seen at this point. Such contraptions simply don't look stable in the way they are attached. When riding on a real horse a saddle is a necessity but when I'm on a human carrier, I want to be sitting on him, not a leather platform.

ezpony · 2017-09-29 18:53:45

AudreyB, I understand and if you ever had the opportunity to ride me, I would not complain about your choice of riding style.

I don't like the saddles either, nor do I enjoy cart pulling. But that's just me. A fetish is hard to explain.

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m2ichaela · 2018-03-22 20:35:25

Audreyb wrote:
checkmateguy:

Thank you , and I completely agree with the reasons for my discomfort when sitting on him for a long period. Had my carrier been a submissive assigned to the task I would have required more of him and positioned him so that I sat on him more comfortably.
As it was however, I was younger and inexperienced and the man I was sitting on was my date for the concert and not particularly submissive. I was somewhat demanding of him as it was and managed to coax his compliance in spending so much time beneath me even when he became quite tired and uncomfortable himself. I saw his efforts as a favor at the time and didn't consider denying him a view of the performance, which would have been the case if I had been sitting more forward on his neck. He was over 6 ft. tall , which allowed me a good vantage point which I would have been denied if I wasn't perched on top of him.
Last year, when I was on the shoulders of my friend's "slave", I didn't demand to much at first, but at my friend's insistence, I became more assertive and made my carrier look down so I could sit on his neck , forward enough so his shoulders supported my buttocks and I was actually properly sitting on him rather than resting my weight on the back of my thighs.
This is the position I would assume whenever practical in all future rides.

AudreyB
While riding your friend at the concert, you could direct him to stand behind another woman riding on another man, so his face will be attached to her ass.
This could be a combination of shoulder riding and facesitting, as the man's head is trapped between your thighs and the girl-in- front's ass.
Of course, in this situation he wouldn't be able to watch the concert and forced to see and smell the other girls' ass.
What do you think?

Audreyb · 2018-03-23 03:29:55

m2ichaela:

I can't imagine why I would want to do what you suggested. I was interested in the concert and I was already as demanding of him as I considered reasonable. He was after all performing a service to me in remaining beneath me in spite of his discomfort while I was sitting relatively comfortably .

I don't see any advantage to me in having his face in another woman's ass regardless of any odor that might be involved and if I wanted his face sat upon, I would have sat on it myself.

trigger · 2018-03-23 05:38:16

Hey there..M2ichaela..

Pls don't mind...but these kind of propositions...are normally said and told by a male...not by a female...

Its my opinion..though..personal..

Thanks

m2ichaela wrote:
Audreyb wrote:
checkmateguy:

Thank you , and I completely agree with the reasons for my discomfort when sitting on him for a long period. Had my carrier been a submissive assigned to the task I would have required more of him and positioned him so that I sat on him more comfortably.
As it was however, I was younger and inexperienced and the man I was sitting on was my date for the concert and not particularly submissive. I was somewhat demanding of him as it was and managed to coax his compliance in spending so much time beneath me even when he became quite tired and uncomfortable himself. I saw his efforts as a favor at the time and didn't consider denying him a view of the performance, which would have been the case if I had been sitting more forward on his neck. He was over 6 ft. tall , which allowed me a good vantage point which I would have been denied if I wasn't perched on top of him.
Last year, when I was on the shoulders of my friend's "slave", I didn't demand to much at first, but at my friend's insistence, I became more assertive and made my carrier look down so I could sit on his neck , forward enough so his shoulders supported my buttocks and I was actually properly sitting on him rather than resting my weight on the back of my thighs.
This is the position I would assume whenever practical in all future rides.
AudreyB
While riding your friend at the concert, you could direct him to stand behind another woman riding on another man, so his face will be attached to her ass.
This could be a combination of shoulder riding and facesitting, as the man's head is trapped between your thighs and the girl-in- front's ass.
Of course, in this situation he wouldn't be able to watch the concert and forced to see and smell the other girls' ass.
What do you think?

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