Ultimate shoulder rides

During shoulder riding you wrap your thighs around the carrier neck. During all-four riding you can wrap your feet around his neck and kick his face to direct him left or right.

Missbaron
Did you ride all-four on your ex in public or at home?
Sitting on his shoulders with his head between your knees must be uncomfortable for him.
How did you trick him to carry you? You could use some restraints, like tying his hands or looping a rope around his head.

Does anyone know community related to all fours ride? I remember there were some pretty active ones in old Yahoo groups, but now I can't find any. Some ponyplay and L&C exist, but for all of them all fours rides are out of focus

MissBaron wrote:

m2ichaela:

I occasionally rode on my ex  in public setting, to sort of show off to some of my friends as I  gained more control of him.                               However when I began to  enjoy  it beyond showing off I would  often  coerce him into being "my little pony" at  home   for my own entertainment.   He submitted to this because it was easier than  upsetting me. Keeping him off balance  was  fairly easy.                     

Since he was almost twice my size, I wasn't  a great burden  when I sat on his back that way.       

I reserved  using restraints for our more intimate moments simply because  I didn't  like letting him have the option of  touching my body when I didn't want him to   or  lifting me off  when I was on top of him.  I really didn't think about or  care if having his head between my knees  while  I sat on his back was  uncomfortable for  him.
I don't ask  a  real horse, or a chair for that matter, if it likes the way I sit on it.

I really like Your attitude!

"I really didn't think about or  care if having his head between my knees  while  I sat on his back was  uncomfortable for  him. I don't ask  a  real horse, or a chair for that matter, if it likes the way I sit on it."

This is perfect and just how I need to be treated when being ridden on all-4s, which has been my normal mode as a ponyslave.

Happy to chat if anyone wants to know more about this.

JayRey8585:

Yes, your rider  sounds  very much like me in her attitude.                    I have often ignored  the discomfort of  a  carrier who  originally enjoyed being  a "human horse"  and there have been times when I all but forgot that I was sitting on his back. This happened when I received a text or a call on my phone . 

Sometimes  when I was sitting  comfortably the carrier  had to remind me that he was down there, usually with a  grunt or an exhale of his breath.  I found it amusing that while bearing my weight in a stationary positing, the man rarely  asked me to  dismount unless he  was near exhaustion .

However, I feel that a carrier  should  feel  at least some discomfort  as a sign of  his submission to the rider.  If  he isn't sacrificing his  energy and discomfort, then he's  just using me to fulfill his own  desires and not submitting to the riders  superiority.

JayRey8585:

I assume you are asking about a real horse and not a human-horse?

I expect  to receive whatever service I pay for and I would  expect  that a rented horse  was  rested enough to serve and I wouldn't ask or  really care if it was tired. It's  up to the rental establishment to concern themselves with such issues.

No, I wouldn't be concerned with a horses comfort and I have in fact ridden a horse  to  exhaustion ,both a rental  and my own horse. Not  routinely of course but  when the horse  didn't obey  properly.

I normally wear spurs and use a crop when riding  .  I prefer an  English saddle  and a firm halter and  bit, but I have enjoyed riding bareback on my own horse.

JayRey8585:

I expect a rented horse to respond  to my physical signals from the  moment  I'm sitting on him. This of course simple left/right halt, go   etc.  I use the spurs  sparingly  because  they are roller spurs .
The  "Firm  bit"  simply means reasonably  tight in  the  mouth so  the  horse responds to it faster.

The horse must respond  to  me and  not simply  follow the tail of the horse  in front as is often the case with  horses in trail rides.
He must  stop and go when I signal him to.  Of course I can tell if the horse is tired but I still expect my money's worth and I will use the spurs and the crop  to  make him  keep  the pace I want.

No I don't  "feel bad" about   pushing  the horse hard.  In fact I very likely helped the next rider.  Horses are  not  intelligent creatures  and need a firm hand .

JayRey8585:

A really exhausted horse will be sweating (lathering) and show some  foam at the mouth. His steps will be sluggish and you might feel him shake under you.

With my own  horse (I don't own him any more) I would usually  just rest him by letting him have a loose reins  but I wouldn't get off. I simply sat on his back and waited until  I felt that he rested enough.    I probably would use a rented horse  a little less gently and  ride him past the point of  exhaustion . In either case my weight  shouldn't make  any difference  and I would stay seated because dismounting   might lead to a problem when I was ready to remount. A tired horse   is  often  skittish when you try to sit on him again. 

I don't  normally abuse  a horse that I rent and the only 4 legged animal I ever pushed seriously beyond his limits was a small donkey that  I rented to  tour a small island. He was stubborn and  didn't want to carry my weight .  I had to get help to remount him the one time I  dismounted .  He nearly  didn't make it back to the stable and I sat on him the entire way  back.

JayRey8585:

yes over working the bit will often make the  horses mouth foam but you will also see  foam  if the horse is exhausted.  This usually  occurs  at about the time  the horse  begins to lather but I often noticed  the foam at the mouth before I noticed the lathering.

Whether I use the spurs on a tired  horse  depends on the situation. If I want to  continue the ride or  the distance I want him to go I have  no problem with spurring him on.             Sometimes the horse may  just be stubborn at any  point in time and the rider should always  break  the horse of this and not  tolerate  stubbornness. Sharps spurs are  very useful in doing this.

Spurs and crops will usually be enough to push a  horse to exhaustion but a really exhausted horse may really fall under  the rider and in some cases the  horse could even  die. That has never happened to me.

I might feel a little bad if a horse I was riding was  really injured by  my actions, but if he  is  just exhausted I wouldn't feel bad or  guilty. The domestic  horse  only exist to  serve  and has  no other purpose.

I really can't answer  your last question as  you  asked  it. Riding on a  flat even trail can be very different from a grassy path  and  broken  ground.

JayRey8585:

I'll go to the human carrier aspect first.    I must assume that the carrier would either make his living  carrying  people or  some form of slavery is involved. 

In either case  I would treat  the carrier  as well or as harshly as his  behavior  dictated.  While I  couldn't expect him to carry me as fast or far as a real  horse, I  wouldn't  be nearly as concerned  about his wellbeing as I would a  rented  horse because he either  chose his  job or he surrendered his freedom to  this service (perhaps a  convicted criminal??)

Having  experienced riding on an uncooperative  human carrier, I learned that as a rider, taking control  as soon as you sit on him is the best practice. I was too kind  in the beginning and I didn't enjoy the first  mile of the ride.  My male riding companion  corrected me on this.  While my carrier was more or less  voluntary, I  had to establish myself as his "master" and treat him like I would a simple beast of burden.

As for  tac, I wasn't using any  and my spurs were  more of a threat  than a means of control. though I did use them several times.

JayRey8585: 

The idea of slavery as an institution repulses me  if it's in the sense of  people captured or sold  as property and generational slaves.             

But the idea  of people who commit capital crimes who are sentenced to long or life sentences  at hard labor  has always intrigued me.          Like why shouldn't  such offenders  not be used  as  beasts of burden  for the harm they have caused to people and society in general?         

I can at least imagine  myself availing myself of  such a situation  and  having the freedom to use one  even if a fee was involved. 
Since  criminals  tend to be  the type that  lack personal  discipline, I can certainly imagine  using spurs and crops  to instill some semblance  of discipline while I forced him to  comply .

I can  imagine that certain restraint and other precautions for the safety of the rider would be involved  . As a rider I could  still be  vulnerable  while sitting on him since it's not the most stable position to be in. 
Since  the prisoner/carrier might be a murderer or child rapist, I might find myself enjoying digging my spurs into him  as a sort of revenge on him for the pain he caused his  victims. Yes I could imagine riding such a man until he falls beneath me and just  digging in my spurs while I sat on him and telling him that it would be the only rest period I was  going to allow him .

JayRey8585:

I have no idea  about the  number of prisoners such a facility could handle reasonably. I can imagine that perhaps  30 or so could be  put to  use  with about  7 or 8 properly trained  staff of  guards and handlers.

If I were  given a choice ,I  might choose  one that was  guilty of a  crime that I find particularly abhorrent  rather than choosing him by  size or stamina.  The reason for such a choice is  that I would be less likely to feel any  compassion for such a criminal.
I think I would rent him for about  4 hours to put him through his paces if it was the first time sitting on him. I believe that in 4 hours or so I could establish myself as his master   using the crop and spurs  somewhat freely.

JayRey8585:

At 5 ft 2 in and 135 lbs.  I'm not very intimidating and I certainly couldn't  "squash" an average size man by sitting on his shoulders. 

But once I'm sitting on him I would  make it  clear that I would have no problem with  hurting him for the slightest disobedience. He would feel my spurs when I ordered him to keep his head down  and looking at the ground so I can have my  bottom supported . 

Of course there would be restraints on his arms etc. for my safety, which I assume would make it obvious that if he fell, his hands couldn't break his fall and it be much worse for him with my weight on top of him.

Obviously, I couldn't sit up there for 4 hours without being uncomfortable and he couldn't carry me for all that time so I would have to let him rest before he was completely exhausted. But rest periods would be just long enough for him to recover and he would have to position himself so I could  get back on his shoulders. The spurs and crop would  be enough to  inspire him to get into  the right position.

To be honest, if he was a rapist or child molester, I probably wouldn't care if he  died  before the ride was over.  But I think I would prefer that he  was alive when I returned him to the stable  so I could rent him again in the near future.