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Rolantecamina:
Dehumanizing you is part of the point.
For much of human history, it was seen as normal for men to use women as servants and sex slaves. Today, women have gained power and now men have learned that they must please women in order to get what they want and women choose men instead of the way things used to be.
With one exception a few years back, I wouldn't treat an animal they way I would treat you, forcing you to lift my weight without relief after you fell under me. An animal doesn't have a choice while by comparison you are trading your efforts for something you want from me, the chance at citizenship.
As such, your only rest period will be under me where you fell.
You can lay there with me sitting on your back a rest a few moments until I become bored and have to finish my work. I'll tap your head with the heel of my shoe until you put in the effort to lift me into the right position. I don't want any men allowed into my country who are not trained to obey and please women.
I don't care about your name. I don't name my furniture, I gave my horse a name but I owned him and paid for him. I only own your service for a week and you simply wouldn't matter.
I find you sleeping on my floor? I wouldn't kick you to wake you up, I would step on you and stand on you, demanding that you get into the proper position to serve me on all fours.
I would then look to see if you drooled on my carpet while you slept. You had better hope you didn't or I'll have you scrub it while Julia is sitting on your back and supervising your work.
A sore back? day off? don't be ridiculous. You would get some relief when Julia got off your back but I would allow you to crawl behind my desk so I could sit on your back and get some work done.
I would tell Julia that she could have you later in the afternoon to play with or play ON.
Friday is a busy day for me and I usually have a few phone calls to make and text a few friends if I have time. Amanda would be delighted to know that I'm sitting on you while we chatted on the phone and how your back muscles are moving under my ass while you try to compensate for pain in your back from Julia's weight have been on it while you scrubbed the drool out of my carpet.
I know Amanda would be encouraging me to hurt you in some way while I'm perched on your back, but I would just laugh at her suggestions. You are so lucky that the government gave you to me for your training and not Amanda.
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MissBaron;
Let’s go down this made up rabbit hole for a second. If you had a stable of illegal Mexican men and made a business where people could (majority of them being women) could rent a carrier use them to walk around a town to shop, sightsee, or like you even said, just made to feel like a queen sitting up there, how would you manage your stable?
Would you work half of your illegals one day and the other half the next. They only work half days?
How would you rent them out. By the hour? Four hour block of time?
Would they get to pick their illegal to ride or would it be like a horse stable where stable employees pick the horse suited for that specific persons size?
Would the illegals have a bit/reins where the woman wouldn’t have to talk to the carrier at all, providing comfort knowing they can directions and drive the illegal with their reins and bit in his mouth. (There very well could be a language barrier as well)
You could even through Rolantecamina into the mix with them being that he’s from Central America. At 5’8” and 170lbs, he isn’t a pillar of of stature necessary.
Completely made-up since we both live in the Midwest of the USA, but fun to bounce ideas around. Ha.
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Rolantecamina:
Oh how wrong you have it.
Do you really imagine I wouldn't know your secret masochism after having you as my servant for just a few days?
I would know that in spite of your exhaustion and pain that you like having women sit on you even if it hurts and you suffer after a while.
So when you fall under me I'm going to make sure you fully understand that using you is all about me!
When I'm sitting on your back while you are face down on the floor I'm going to make it hard for you to get back up in spite of me ordering you to . I'll bounce my ass on your back with all my weight ,pushing your chest into the floor and making it hard for you to breath . You will even have trouble getting your hands under yourself to push up into the position I'm ordering you to get into.
I would squash any masochistic enjoyment you might get out of it and even when you manage to struggle back up to where I demanded you to be, I would raise up only enough to plop back down to hurt your back just a little bit more
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Being unable to support Julia while you clean the carpet would be exactly what I would expect and I would ask Julia to punish you if you fail to support her or if you move to slow.
I have no doubt that when I returned Julia would be sitting on your chest and laughing at your pathetic protest while you attempt to push her off.
For your information, Julia's boyfriends are not "ugly", just rather average looking and smaller than average. She chooses men she can dominate physically even if the men don't want to be dominated. The only way she is likely to be sitting on your lap is if she is holding you down on a chair for some reason.
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MissBaron;
Did you see my message directly above your reply? ![]()
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JayRey8585:
Since the illegal alien invaders are from allover the world, I wouldn't specifically have illegal Mexicans in the stable .
There are other nationalities I would possibly choose that come from societies where women are second class citizens or worse.
I think I would enjoy breaking a few of those men and correcting their behavior more than I would most Hispanic men.
While I find the subject of renting out a stable of carriers amusing even if not remotely practical, I would probably match a slave carrier to a woman based on how obedient the carrier was from the beginning of my stewardship of him.
In short, the least obedient would be carrying the larger/heavier ladies and the ones who metaphorically kissed my ass would get the more petite ladies.
I would give a 50% rebate to any woman whos' carrier failed to finish his day of service to her or died from exhaustion while she was sitting on his shoulders.
Yes it would be "mostly women", But I can't discriminate and I know that some gay men would want the same service and of course teenage girls who would want to try out a carrier slave out of amusement more than utility.
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MissBaron;
Let’s go from business owner to you are a paying customer.
• The stable allows you to pick the human carrier you want to ride. Tell me what he looks like and why you picked him out of the stable of others?
• In middle America, how would you use your carrier that day? (Trail riding? City tour? Etc)
• What tools would you choose to have and use if needed? (Crop, spurs, etc)
• if the stable asked if you wanted him to have a bit, what would you say?
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Rolantecamina:
Yes I'm quite aware that my ass is soft and jiggly and of course it would spread my weight on your back. I can slap one cheek and make the other cheek jiggle. But if you imagine that I would have to have a hard ass to make your back ach when I plopped down on it, you would be surprised. You wouldn't be able to anticipate when I would raise and plop back down or shift my ass around to a more comfortable position.
I wouldn't care if you got an erection or not but I would expect you to and I don't care about your pre-cum either. I've encountered that to many times to be shocked or surprised.
As for you being a better human chair than anyone else, I doubt that would be true either. Not even my ex could claim that. I had a slightly overweight submissive boyfriend who's back was always perfectly level, rarely sagged and had just enough flesh over his muscles to give me soft warm cushion.
Of course Julia's ass would take up the space of almost all of your torso. In fact I don't think I could see much of your torso under her ass and hips. But if she invited me to sit on you with her, your potential erection wouldn't be an issue. I couldn't even count how man erections I've sat on (not counting for coital sex) without knowing or caring. Random guys who's laps I sat on because they were convenient and guys I was playfully wrestling with when I deliberately bounced on their bulges while trying to hurt them by squashing their balls.
But you would be a chair and nothing more to me. would I like that hard lump under my ass? Probably not, but I wouldn't bother to move because to me it's just a minor thing and you're not a man or a human to me at that time.
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JayRey8585:
First I have to point out a fantasy that I had since I was a very young girl. I watched a movie "the hunchback of Notre Dame".
I imagine myself sitting on this ugly hunchback while he carried me everywhere obeying my directions, his bowed back being a perfect seat while my legs draped over his shoulders.
So if they had one of those to choose from, I could live out my childhood fantasy ![]()
But of the aliens likely available I might choose one that looks middle eastern. A guy who comes from somewhere where women are second class and restricted.
I might choose a young looking one to correct his way of thinking and what he has been taught. The crop would be my signally device and i would make him bow on his knees in a very low position so that I didn't have to raise my leg to far to straddle his head when I sat on him. He would have to lift me on his shoulders with his head bowed , hold my feet with his hands while he got into a standing position.
I wouldn't want a bit in his mouth because I want him to speak a few words I taught him very quickly such as "yes mistress" and that I would call him "slave". My outfit would be a skirt and blouse and my pumps with the sharp metal heels. They would be used on him instead of spurs because he would be my ride during our urban shopping tour.
During our tour I would dismount as soon as we entered the store and leave him at the entrance in the bowed position of when I first mounted him so that I can shop normally.
Since this would be a new service being provided, I know I would attract attention sitting up there on him as he carried me, but I know that other shoppers, especially women would be curious and envious of me as well. I would take the time to tell them about the service and the advantages of shopping and touring without the effort of walking for a long time. I know that many of the ladies would take advantage of not risking getting sore feet and try it for the novelty.
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Rolantecamina:
I'm going to go to the last question first.
When I sit on someone's face it's all about me and it doesn't matter if that person likes it or doesn't.
I wouldn't have sex with an underling like you would be and I consider using someone's tongue to be an intimate act that I only share with lovers and permanent underlings, so obviously I wouldn't be bare bottomed if I sat on your face regardless of how you begged.
So at your best, or worse, you might only encounter my thong panties and some serious difficulty breathing and I don't spare my weight when I sit on a man's face.
As far as leaving "butt prints" on your chest and stomach, I can't imagine at this point why you would think I would feel any empathy for you? On the contrary, I would expect to see them and be happy that we sat on you long enough to "brand you" as a human seat. I enjoy seeing Julia squash a man and under my tutelage she has learned to enjoy it as her favorite form of domination.
I often left my ass prints on my ex husbands chest and it always made me smile when I saw my "brand' on him.
I don't know if I would keep you an extra week. Even if you proved to be worthy of my attention and further breaking, I might suspect that you were enjoying my treatment of you which takes some of the fun out of it for me. Also, I might want a new man to break and torment .
A lot would depend on whether I think you are broken to the service of women to the point that you would be allowed to stay in my country . We have enough "alpha males" in the U.S. and simply not enough human beasts of burden to serve us.
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Rolantecamina:
You don't know me and we have just been dealing with a fantasy scenario. However since you chose to inject the reality of yourself into this, I will do the same. Obviously trying to or risking serious injury to any given man would likely have serious consequences in the real world. Even in our fantasy I didn't bring up the idea of doing causing serious injury , preferring to play off your fetish of complete submission.
However, in the real world I'm simply not silly enough to expect a man to submit to whatever choice of torture or torment I might chose to inflict or to not take precautions to insure my own safety just because the man takes on a submissive role and makes some kind of promise to serve as my whipping boy. Any man can and might retaliate and could hurt or even kill me.
My ex husband tried to turn Julia against me, pretending to show interest in her to try to get to me , and to say that he failed would be a serious understatement .
But lets suppose that I decided to sit on your face since that is an activity that I often took enjoyment in.
Let me first state that my ex could bench press over 400 lbs if I remember correctly . But on the rare occasion that I let him try to lift me off him he only succeeded because it amused me.
More often I had him in restraints where even his big arms were useless. He allowed me to restrain him because sometimes I would give him the sex he craved and sometimes I left him horny and wanting.
Of course you can say you wouldn't allow yourself to be restrained and I certainly couldn't overpower you and put the handcuffs on you.
But I have a group of male friends who could and would overpower you and I could get 4 or 5 of them to shackle and restrain you with just a suggestion from me.
You might imagine that you could still resist, perhaps biting me in my sensitive areas but I can assure you that any such attempt would fail and the only fighting you would do would be fighting for air which I would of course deny you until I was sure you passed out.
After you were revived and I repeated this treatment a few times, I think you would use your tongue exactly where I wanted you to for as long as I wanted. The guys I'm thinking of would just want to watch and I'm not shy about having a cheering section.
I have never suffocated a man to death obviously since I'm not a murderer, but you would be down there thinking that you might be the first. Since you took sexual advantage of women ,I would consider it justice if you were suffering with all of my weight squashing down on your face.
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MissBaron;
Quasimoto!
I like your choice of foreigner for the human carrier! Yes, women are definitely second class citizens at best over there.
I’m interested in this. You said, you would like to choose a “young” one so you can offer them some lessons on how to treat women more of less. My question is, how young would you choose?! Also, walk me through how you would choose. Would they be lined up in a row? How would you let the creature know that you have selected the young middle easterner? See what I’m asking here?
Great idea to use him on your shopping tour and him being knelt in the position and then having to stand would definitely be hard on him. Ha. Wonder if you would sit down hard as he in kneeling and bent over and his head hit the ground/pavement?!
Give me another type of ride you would want to take him on that didn’t involve shopping and what you would wear and things you would use? (Bit/reins, spurs, crop, etc)
Oh, and what type of illegals do you think Julia and Amanda would choose and how would they want to use them? What ‘tools’ would they want to use on their worthless illegals?! Take about a workout!!! ![]()
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JayRey8585:
Truthfully, I don't know what you're asking.
I would choose one that looked middle eastern and young.
I often encounter young , like 20 something Muslim type men that have what I see as an arrogant look.
I would just view the available stock and choose one that I think I could sit on and ride for 4 or 5 hours of shopping without having him collapse under me. I'm not very heavy so he only needs to be strong enough to serve.
I don't know if I would mount his shoulders and sit down harder than I would sit on a horse's back or on the seat of my car for that matter, but he would certainly know I'm on his shoulders and that I'm fully in charge.
I enjoy trail rides and other than shopping I would probably choose to ride him on a moderate to rough trail that I wouldn't want to take on foot. That might require a bit and possibly spurs but I would only use the crop on the shopping tour since I wouldn't wear boots with spurs while shopping. My heels would be enough to signal him and keep him in line.
I honestly think that if Julia picked out one to ride on a shopping tour, it would be some guy who was more or less like the one's she chooses to date. That would mean he wouldn't be very big or strong looking. She wouldn't care very much if the carrier had trouble lifting her as long as he could stand up with her sitting on him.
Amanda's choice would be one that she perceived as arrogant or she otherwise didn't like the looks of. I could imagine that Amanda would sit down on him rather hard and kick his side right from the start.
I don't know if either lady would use spurs if they had a choice but Amanda might use a bit if that was an option. Knowing Amanda as I do, she wouldn't be troubled if her carrier dropped and died of exhaustion. I can imagine her just kicking his body and walking away and laughing about it later when she told us about it.
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MissBaron;
I was envisioning the illegals lined up and you walked up to the 20 year old middle eastern and either kicked him or ordered him down on all fours so you could sit on his back as the other ladies who are renting a carrier choose their mount. You doing something that shows your authority, right from the start. Like Julia and Amanda choosing theirs.
How hard would you sit down on a horse with your ‘fat ass’?!
Since this is fantasy land here with this topic, describe to me how you envision a moderate to rough trail would be. Scenery, terrain, etc.
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JayRey8585:
Yes I could imagine walking up to my choice of carriers and ordering him down on his hands and knees. Then of course I would sit on his back rather casually as I might sit on any convenient surface.
Then I think I would wiggle a little to settle in and briefly remind him that the weight he is feeling is a "woman" sitting on his back.
I would watch in amusement as Julia chooses a carrier that she might test by sitting on him to see if he can lift her. ZAs I said, I know the kind of guy she would probably pick so I would be wondering if he would manage to stand with Julia on his shoulders.
I wouldn't pay to much attention to the guy Amanda picks out since she would be more interest in making the ride on him as bad for him as possible.
A moderately rough trail would be one with a lot of up and down hills and some minor obstacles in the path.
There is one in a preserve just a few miles outside of my town with some great scenery. I walk a short part of it once but I found it to rough and tiring to go very far. Some of my friends told me it's beautiful farther on and I can imagine there would be even better views from my perch sitting on a man's shoulders.
Obviously I would enjoy it more if I didn't wear myself out walking , and having a rented slave doing all the work would allow me to just sit and relax.
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MissBaron;
Yes. It would be interesting and entertaining to watch who Julia picked and her testing him to see if he can even stand with her sitting on him from the comforts of the your just-picked carriers back. You might be there 15-20 minutes as the women all pick. What happens to the lady at the end if there is just one POS carrier left? Guess she doesn’t get to pick. Hope he works out well for her sake.
When on this scenic trail, what would you use on him from your arsenal of tools? (Bit/reins, spurs, crop, whip, chains, etc. The fun stuff lol.)
What various paces would you want to ride on the trail in the preserve? On a smaller hill, would you ‘ask’ (spur or whip) for a more brisk pace going up it?
How would you handle the 20 year old middle eastern horse, if he slowed down on his own even if the pace you set for him was just a normal walking pace? I have a feeling, he won’t like being ridden and you will have to teach him how to listen to your commands and behave.
How long would you like to ride in this preserve?
How do you hope your carrier feels and looks by the time your scenic trail ride is over?
Describe how hard you sit down on a horse with your ‘fat ass’! ![]()
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JayRey8585:
You seem to be fixated on my "fat ass"
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Anyone I happen to sit on should be happy that my "fat ass" is wide and soft . Imagine what a bony ass would feel like on your shoulders or where ever with 135 lbs. on you.
I don't know if it would take Julia and Amanda 20 minutes to choose a carrier, but why would I stand and wait when I have something comfortable to sit on?
As for the last lady to make her choice, assuming there is only one carrier left, she should have gotten there earlier . It's first come first serve after all.
I would only want a crop while riding and shopping but I might use spurs on a trail ride. I wouldn't feel the need to hurt the boy excessively unless he slacks off or offends me in some way.
My choice of the carrier I chose is at least in part to impress on him the superiority of women and he wouldn't receive any empathic from me when I'm sitting on top of him.
My carrier would be exhausted to the point of passing out by the time I get off his shoulders , gasping for breath and completely "broken to the saddle" as they say when referring to a horse.
When we are back at the stable I might try to reserve him for my next ride but there might be another arrogant middle eastern illegal immigrant that I might want to break and train my way.
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MissBaron;
Once you picked your carrier, I’m wondering once he is on all fours, once you sit down on him I wonder if he protests? Or if you took him on a trail ride or even rode him to and from stores shopping if he would protest. After all and like you said, women to them are no more than second class citizens and the fact you are sitting on his back or riding on his shoulders might hit him all of a sudden causing him to protest and give you a hard time. Thoughts?
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JayRey8585:
In this hypothetical situation I would actually want him to protest. His protest and would show me that he doesn't like his position under me and objectified. It would also mean that he isn't used to serving and being objectified by a woman or submitting to feminine superiority and he is fresh clay for me to mold into a docile underling.
I would see this as justice with some personal satisfaction as well.
Obviously you know that a lot of men enjoy having women sit on them in various ways and ride them. Some are masochistic and want to suffer under a woman like handyman does.
I have had men request, suggest and even beg me to ride on their shoulders , backs etc. when they wanted me to. Even those who are not submissive in general have wanted to feel my thighs on their cheeks . I can't imagine why I should feel even the slightest guilt when it's entirely my choice to sit or ride on a man when the mood strikes me, or to correct a man's cultural behavior.
I suppose the people who operate this stable would have ways for riders to keep control of potential misbehaving carriers. I would of course use my riding crop very sharply to emphasize my commands , but I can imagine a dog training shock collar or pinch collar would be more useful than a bit and rains since he would be vulnerable under me as he is and ultimately to tired from his tasks to resist my commands.
Being young and coming from his twisted male dominated society, breaking the boy would require less effort than it would with an older man. My maternal grandmother and my mother often said that A boy "will always get out of hand if someone doesn't sit on him".
They meant it metaphorically of course but I choose to take it literally.
Whether shopping or trail riding, when I dig in with my spurs or the heels of my shoes, his protests will be met with painful correction until they cease and he's to tired to protest at all.
When I return him to the stable he might be crawling on his hands and knees out of complete exhaustion while I sit on his sagging back whipping his flanks with my crop.
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MissBaron;
I’m going down this rabbit hole with you. I want you to tell me how you would handle a 40 year old middle easterner from the moment you picked him and which you would ride him? (Preserve or carrier for your shopping and tourist tour)?!
This will be great to hear! Oh and he naturally doesnt like women controlling him!
And yes, I’ll admit, your ‘fat ass’ does sounds appealing to look at and feel it on me. ![]()
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JayRey8585:
these hypotheticals' take some time to consider. I have to think about what I know about people and the cultures I read about and my limited experiences .
A 40 year old man is more likely to be set in his ways and the ways of his culture.
If I chose this person, I would expect resentment from the start and I think I would use the crop on him from the moment of my first command to him. Of course that command would be to kneel as I would have with the 20 year old but I would also watch for and defiance in his face and eyes and crop his back harder than I would the younger man. I would try to make a point concerning my power over him by sitting on his back as if he was simply there for that purpose like sitting on a bench. I would also push his head down making him face the ground , implying he wasn't worthy of looking at me.
I think for this encounter I would test him by urban shopping and of course he would be required to lift me cleanly when I sat straddled his shoulders, sitting on his bowed back and shoulders until he was standing erect. A 40 year old man should be in his prime based on my experience but without the vitality of a 20 year old so I wouldn't dig my heels in him and let him walk at a rather normal pace.
However, I would use the crop on him if he failed to fully obey my signals to stop or go etc. He would quickly learn those two phrases assuming he didn't otherwise speak English.
The shopping area in my town and the enclosed mall have benches but since I would be seated on him I wouldn't let him sit when he was getting tired, at least until I thought he might stumble while carrying me. When I did allow him to sit on a bench I would remain where I was on his shoulders and neck because the benches are made of wood and cast iron and hard on my "fat ass" while I already had a more comfortable slave to sit on.
Needless to say any signs of rebellion on his part would result in punishment and I would only dismount when I entered a given store and I would have him waiting on his knees for when I return.
Any purchases I might make would be carried by him since my hands would be occupied with the crop and whatever devise he was fitted with by the stable.
I have to admit that in real life I'm a bit more dominant and sometimes even sadistic when I'm sitting on a man and I have even less empathy when he's under me. I must suppose that those feelings would apply to this 40 year old since I chose him as much out of resentment as any other reason.
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MissBaron;
This rabbit hole is fun to talk about!
Ok, give me some ideas on what ‘devices’ the stable might have put on him to help you maintain control or for your benefit. I’m clear you would be holding a crop when riding him!
As for the things you buy, brainstorming here, but you might be able to tie the bags to him somehow so his hands could still be free to hold your feet as you travel on him. Not sure on what you might buy and or how much appropriate extra weight that would put on him?
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JayRey8585:
Honestly? Shoes. It's an addiction with me. I'm not thrilled with the current styles but I can't resist buying sexy shoes especially high , sharp dangerous looking heels.
As for clothing, I have specific tastes and virtually live in skirts and blouses. Pleated skirts with a high waist in a light material seem to call to me.
I prefer vintage lingerie and I'm always looking for lingerie-looking outer wear , lacy but not overly revealing.
I often combine my shopping trips between blousing for shoes and clothes and things I need for my home. My beast of burden might be carrying a lamp or two, or perhaps a vase that got my interest..
these things might weigh him down a bit but if I was holding them the weight would be the same because of course I'm sitting on him anyway.
As for what devises a stable of illegals might use to keep one in line, I mentioned the dog shock collars used by field dog trainers and the pinch collars with spikes that dog trainers and owners use to control aggressive dogs. I might be very hesitant to use these things on a dog, but I wouldn't have any problem using them on an illegal alien.
I might even test them while I'm sitting on him before we start shopping. This test would be especially important if it was a shock collar to make certain that I don't feel any of the shock on my thighs when I'm riding him.
I wouldn't need him to hold my feet with his hands except when he lifts me the first time. On a real horse I have very good seat.
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MissBaron;
That could add another 50-60lbs to his load plus you and your little ‘fat ass”! Poor guy. lol
How long would your total shopping trip ride last or the total time you sitting on him?
You crack me up and I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said!
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JayRey8585:
I can think of quite a few guys who in reality would be happy to carry 50 or 60 lbs to be under my "fat ass".
The fact that this "poor guy" doesn't like it makes it more enjoyable for me.
I normally shop for 4 or 5 hours , most of that just window shopping but I do make purchases of course and I would get off his shoulders to go inside shops and stores so with browsing on my feet etc. I would probably be sitting on him for 3 or 4 of those hours in total.
I can imagine being a little more mean to him because he was old enough to be an adult in a society that disrespected and sometimes abused women. I would probably only use the shock collar sparingly and the same with the pinch collar as long as he behaved reasonably.
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MissBaron;
lol. Poor little guy! lol
You are not messing around; shock collar and pinch collar at the same time?! Would you keep a firm grip on the leash when riding?!
I will admit, I would stare at your “fat ass” as often as I could AND would try to touch it as your carrier or horse. ![]()
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JayRey8585:
At this point you must of course know that your desires concerning my ass is no surprise to me or for most women for that matter.
But being under my ass and being sat on by a woman would probably have a very different effect on the 40 year old middle eastern illegal alien . Being used and dominated by someone you were raised to feel superior to would be very different than it would be for someone like you who has a desire to submit and be dominate/abused by the object of your desires.
Since you present yourself as a strong heterosexual man , put yourself in the place of our imaginary illegal for a moment.
But instead of me riding you and sitting on you, It's my friend Wayne in my place.
You wouldn't notice the difference in weight (I think 35 lbs.) because you are bigger than the guy I would be on and Wayne has a 'fat ass' too.
But you are helpless because of the electric training collar on your neck and the pinch collar digging into your flesh.
You must obey or be subjected to pain at the whim of the gay man on top of you.
I think the psychological effect on you would be similar to what my 40 year old alien would feel under me.
Now just imagine that Wayne dislikes you the way I dislike the 40 year old alien.
My point being that the strain a physical torment wouldn't be the only thing my "poor little guy" would suffer.
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MissBaron;
Lol, to the fact that you’re not surprised about my thoughts on your “fat ass”. I can’t quite picture what it might look like and the size. You’re a tiny little thing.
And oh my! I can’t imagine what I would feel like with a gay guy sitting on me and using me like you would use me. I feel like I would hate it! I would definitely act up and give them problems. That’s what immediately comes to my mind. What do you mean, now imagine Wayne disliking me the way you do?
The physical torment and strain on your middle easterner? Shit, your little ass wouldn’t be putting strain on anything!
And I enjoy seeing you play along with the “poor little guy” comment!
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JayRey8585:
What I said was "imagine if Wayne disliked you the way I dislike the illegal 40 year old".
Also, the stable would have same control measure(shock collar, pinch collar) on you that I have on the illegal.
You are helpless because the pinch collar delivers pain and the shock collar can literally incapacitate you with a push of a button.
Wayne dislikes you because he believes you are homophobic (in this scenario) And in real life Wayne would really enjoy having a heterosexual guy completely under his control to punish and humiliate.
"You poor baby:).
Anyway, that is as close to the condition I can think of that would be what I imagine my illegal carrier would be in under me.
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MissBaron;
I see what you did there with “you poor baby”. Haha. You turned it on me! ![]()
I am 40, so this hits home to me. Ugh! I wouldn’t like Wayne or any other gay man riding on me. Makes me cringe thinking about it. I seriously would not be a good carrier if put in this situation. It would take my owner, Miss Baron to come rescue me.
Hahaha.
Your illegal (and myself) would be wearing a shock collar and pinch collar at the same time? Would you be opposed to having the stable put the shock collar around the illegal’s testicles while he wears the pinch collar around his neck? (This made me laugh typing this.. ouch)
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JayRey8585:
You see my point then?
A lot of heterosexual guys I know would have the same aversion to having a gay man ride and dominate them and I'm sure that like you they would be even more disturbed if somethings like the shock collar made fighting back or even resisting virtually impossible.
That is what I imagine would be the torment that my supposed illegal alien would be in. At least as much as I can imagine.
I chose my friend Wayne for this imaginary scenario because I know he would have no problem using a man exactly the way I would and riding and sitting on a heterosexual man who resented it would delight him.
I would find it interesting to watch a scene like that .
I suppose if incapacitating electric shocks to the carriers testicles was what the illegal alien's stable used, I would still ride him and use it as recommended.
But I have always had an aversion to attacking a guy's genitals and have only done so when I had to defend myself a few times.
Normally I want the guy fully functional in that area simply because his own desires and lust is my power over him. I don't like the possibility of ruining that.
I think I mention wrestling with a guy (play wrestling) and deliberately sitting on his bulge and bouncing hard to hurt him enough to have the advantage. It worked ![]()
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MissBaron;
Yes, I clearly see your point. I truly don’t think Wayne would be able to handle a guy of my height, strength and will power if I was pissed if he was mounted on me. I don’t think a shock collar should be “cranked up” to the point as if he was getting tased by the police. That wouldn’t be smart in the slightest for the rider because he or she will face plant as well because the human body when ‘tased’ can’t control themselves so the rider would go for a ride! Horrible idea. Now, if the shock collar was set that it hurt, but not incapacitate the human horse/carrier, that’s a different store. Spurs don’t incapacitate. Whip/crop doesn’t incapacitate. Doesn’t it sting or hurt? Sure. Does it make the horse, human horse or carrier lose complete control of themselves? No. I disagree. So the playing field in this case has to be leveled or else it’s not even close to real reality or one that rides a bio horse. If a horse is pissed, no one shocks it until it falls over and can no longer control itself. The winner is the one who either can control the horse or the horse controls the rider and kicks, steps on or bucks the rider off.
A small shock to the balls or a strong pinch with a pinch collar is different than a rider being able to incapacitate the mount. Sure they will hurt or sting, but it will show if the rider knows what they are doing and in my case, the strength of the ‘horse’.
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JayRey8585:
I have seen Wayne control men much bigger than he is, but I wouldn't argue with you concerning that. From what you have said about yourself I would imagine you could defeat Wayne.
I know my ex husband could have done so easily since Wayne is smaller and has a body I can only describe as boyish.
Wayne does know how to wrestle though and uses some tricks like the ones I mentioned before.
I'm not an expert at electronics or the effect of shock collars either.
Bu I did see one used on a man once and while it didn't knock him out or make him fall on the floor, the pain was obviously bad enough to make the guy desperate for relief and hurt his fingers while begging to have it taken off.
I only suggest the shock collar as a possibility of the methods to keep a carrier at the riders mercy. I imagine the stable would have come up with something for that purpose.
In any case It wasn't my intention to debate what will do what to who, set up a fight between you and Wayne or create a fantasy about such an event.
It was all about conveying the feelings of my imaginary 40 year old middle easterner being under the control of a woman with something I imagined you would find equally humiliating and distasteful.
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MissBaron;
I totally understand what you’re saying and I too, never was trying to argue or debate about which man could do what. I apologize if it came across that way. I was just explaining what immediately went through my head when you said it the way you did about Wayne riding me. Which is exactly how you were trying to describe the middle easterner. Makes complete sense.
I think a pinch collar is the better option to use, but in a real case scenario where a woman could “own” and illegal(s), I don’t think they should be restricted as what they can do. Truth be told, if they accidentally killed one, they wouldn’t be that upset as they were only just an illegal used for riding. There are plenty more. Just one less in the stable for the time being.
As for a new rabbit hole to dive into, let say ICE & INS were running an operation out in the woods where illegals were hiding and it was just a walking path only back to where they had several detained. Would you shoulder ride me back in the to then have the police tie a few (3-4) of the illegals up to have you ride me and pull (they walk) the out of the deep woods to awaiting transport vehicles. Drop them off and go back in to get another load of illegals. (God knows, there a shit ton of them! Hahaha.) ![]()
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JayRey8585:
I have a hard time thinking about killing anyone, including an illegal alien unless I knew he was a murderer , child molester, rapist or some other kind of dangerous criminal.
I have admitted to sometimes fantasizing about killing my ex husband when I had him completely helpless , but I never intended to follow through. I was even careful with things like how long he could hold his breath.
But for the sake of our scenario and in my darkest mindset, I can imagine a day when I had control of one of them that I strongly suspected of being a violent criminal. So I chose him as a carrier on a trail ride with the intention of terminating him so there wouldn't be any chance of him being a criminal in the U.S.
My spurs would dig into his sides as soon as we were outside of view of the stable as I sat on his neck and upper back, forcing his head forward so he could only look at the ground and suffer from having his neck so far extended. Every misstep would result in me pulling sharply on the pinch collar causing him to bleed.
There wouldn't be any rest periods because I wouldn't need one.
I would be sitting on him while he struggled to walk and even to stay as upright as my position on his neck allowed.
Intimately he falls to his hands and knees and I remain on top of him, laughing as I dig in with the spurs as he crawls in the all fours position and finally falls face down.
I scoot forward and sit on his head as he faces to the side. He was already having trouble breathing and my ass limits what little room his nose and mouth has to get air.
I sit there for five minutes or so, deciding whether I should get up and stomp on his head with my boots , or to push his face into the dirt and sit on the back of his head until he suffocate.
I know I have to make up my mind before he recovers enough to fight back in some way, but I love the slight struggles and hushed sounds of pain coming from under me. I notice there is a small stream near by and wish it was closer so that drowning him was an option.
Tell me what you think I should do to him to make his last moments on earth as miserable and humiliating as possible,?
If I were in the woods when your scenario (INS etc.) were operating, I have no doubt I would be on your shoulders and when we encountered the captured illegals I would dismount, expecting you to protect me, even with your life as a man is required to do.
If the INS decided to use you to drag cuffed and shackled captured illegals, I would have you hold the rope or lead around the prisoners necks and of course kneel so I could sit on your shoulders while we dragged them to the waiting transportation.
I wonder if I should give you a break by riding one of the prisoners at some point while you're leading them. I don't mind burdening any of them, but I might be concerned about spoiling you.
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MissBaron;
I think you could force your heel down his throat or make him get him by spurring him repeatedly over and over. The ride him towards the water and once close yank on the pinch collar and spur a 10 (on a 10 scale) making him fall down and there you go. Problem solved. Ha.
I envisioned having a bit in my mouth attached to reins that rested firmly in your hands. A strap that went over my shoulders and fastened around my chest with stirrups that fastened to it. When having me kneel down to mount, you could step into the left stirrup and then swing yourself over and drop your ‘fat ass’ right I to place on my neck shoulders, placing your right foot in the stirrup and pressing your spurs into sky sides ordering me up. I pictured the guards hooking a rope up to harness in the middle of my back that was attached to their cuffed hands making them have to keep up or the torque that would be on the wrist from the cuffs and rope would be bad. Some may or may not have shoes on. Obviously you riding would set the pace for me.
Wouldn’t want to spoil me? Hmm. Obviously you would be able to ride who ever you wanted, but how would I know what to do without you in control of me?
There is an awesome picture of a federal agent (female with a great butt) helping shackled illegals get out of a van and walk over to am awaiting airport to deport them. Can’t get it to upload here though. Ugh.
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JayRey8585:
You're right of course about how to dispose of my illegal alien carrier.
I would be easy enough to ride him into the shallow part of the stream and drown him.
I was reminded of a movie I watched with a boyfriend a long time ago called "pretty poison" with Tuesday Weld and Anthony Perkins.
In one scene Tuesday Weld hit's an old night watchman with a pipe and he falls into shallow water. He's not killed so she climes on top of him, sitting on his back near his neck and smiles as she pushes his face under water to drown him:).
It looked like fun but also practical way for a girl her size to drown the old man.
My boyfriend watched the scene , looking a little shocked but I was amused by it.
Once at the beach with my friends I chased a boy into the lake after he kicked some sand into our lunch basket. I push him under the water a couple of times and two of my girl friends shouted to me to
"Sit on him and don't let him up for air".
Of course I didn't drown him or even sit on him and I just let him go.
But it was interesting that both of my girlfriends shouted out exactly what I was thinking at the same time ![]()
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MissBaron;
I agree!
What do you think about my scene I described above? ![]()
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JayRey8585:
The rest of the scene is fine and even probable. Since I'm riding on you I would treat you just as if you were my property.
Just plopping down on you with little or no regard for you is how I treat my property .
As for how I would control you while sitting on the shoulders of the captive directly behind you, being lead/dragged along , I would still have the reins on you and my crop would still reach your flanks.
I might even use some verbal commands.
However, I suspect that your shoulders would be more comfortable to sit on than the illegal , so your rest period wouldn't be very long before I switch back to your shoulders.
I expect obedience of course and you kneel to let me soi more comfortably than I was on the boney shoulders of the illegal.
But you must keep in mind that I own you only for as long as you willingly serve me. I will dismiss you if you don't obey , but I expect you to complete your labors of carrying me and leading the illegals to the transports. Once you have completed this, you are back to being a male acquaintance if you choose and though you may not touch me , you will still be expected to protect me and even talk to me like a normal person until the next time you put yourself at my service and disposal.
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MissBaron;
What would you consider to be you spoiling me as your horse?!?
If giving me a break and the illegal you’re on has boney shoulders, when you say my break might be short, what might that look like time wise?
Do you like the idea of me wearing a simple harness that has stirrups attached to it? Would you use them when riding and to step into with one foot to climb o my shoulders with me kneeling?
What pace(s) would you ride me at to escort/drag these illegals out to their awaiting police transport at?! Would you look back at them riding to see how they are doing as you ride on me?
Are you hard on the reins when having me stop, turn or even backup?
Another interesting thing. Let’s say the government pays to have people like you and I to go in the wooded trail and drag/escort out these illegals, would you split the money with me, your horse or would you keep it all for yourself?!
Also, I might get tired, get in a cranky mood from time to time while serving you, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want too. It will just highlight how much control you would have over me when riding to curb that type of behavior from me.
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JayRey8585:
I think I would be spoiling you if I let you just lead while towing the illegals and otherwise unburdened by my weight on your shoulders.
Let's say I allowed myself to be comparatively uncomfortable sitting on the alien's shoulders for more than 15 to 20 minutes and I was just giving you verbal commands most of the time without using the crop on you even when you slow your pace . That would be spoiling you, making you think that I have empathy just because you were breathing hard.
You know that I don't feel that you're serving me completely unless serving under me is at the expense of your own physical comfort.
If I'm just sitting on your shoulders because you enjoy being under me
I would just be fulfilling your desires regardless of whether I'm enjoying it or not!
Stirrups on a harness attached to you might be helpful as long is they are firm enough for me to step into as I sit down on your back and shoulders, but I don't want anything like a saddle. If I want to sit on a saddle I'll just ride a horse. When I'm on a man I want to feel a man's back under me and feel his muscles straining.
I expect a moderately fast walking pace from anyone I'm riding but of course a wooded area requires some degree of care on uneven ground. Of course I would direct you with the reins but I think I might need to use some verbal commands for things like making you backup because unlike a real horse where I would pull both sides outward to make the horse back away from the bit, you don't have a neck long enough to make that practical.
I won't care how the illegals we are towing "are doing" but if they fall I might have to halt you long enough to get off your shoulders so I can kick them until they get back on their feet. After all, I can't expect you to drag them and I'm certainly not going to walk while you drag one or more behind you.
As for payment, I really don't need the money but I might give you 40% in the 60/40 split since you already had the pleasure of serving me
. But seriously, I don't mind an even split .
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MissBaron;
Spoiling me would be that your ‘fat ass’
would be comfortable sitting on a Booney illegal’s shoulders as you watch a strong, good looking American man walk in front of you while leading 3-4 illegals tied to him, out to a waiting police vehicles?! You poor thing!!
You’re saying you would be jealous and dying to get back on me! Haha. I’ll take this as a compliment.
I picture the harness having a D ring on the back approximately three quarters of the way down my back that they would attach to, so yea they would be strong and able to withstand you standing on them. I think they would be very beneficial to you and allow you a much more comfortable ride. The ones we use for high-angle rescue, have built in padding on the shoulders so that might also provide more comfortable for your butt and weight to sit on.
As for the bit to use on me, if you got to pick between a mild bit, harsh bit, or a severe bit, which would you choose?
Interesting! You would stop me and dismount and kick him until he stands? Let’s say as you kick him to get him up and I start to walk dragging him with other illegals also dragging him some since they are tied to him as well, would would you do?
You wouldn’t dismount and walk next to me as we remove illegals?! Ha.
Wow, you are kind being willing to split the money. I honestly thought you would tell me you’re keeping it for all the ‘hard work’ you did. ![]()
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JayRey8585:
You think I would prefer riding on your shoulders because I would be "attracted to you"??.
I would only be giving you a break from the extra burden of dragging 4 guys who are already hindered by chains on their ankles and the lead one with a 132lb woman sitting on his boney shoulders. My desire to get back on your shoulders is still much more about my comfort and safety than any other consideration.
Anything about you is secondary . Exactly as I would prefer to sit on a more comfortable and roomy chair.
Yes that harness you described may have benefits to my comfort and make mounting your shoulders easier for me. How comfortable it may be for you is not my concern.
ASs for the type of bit, I prefer one that gives me more control when I'm riding a real horse, especially a spirited one. But not one that makes the horse shy away from putting in on him. For you I would likely choose something that give me control without cutting your mouth at the corners . I find a Shaffel bit works best with direct pressure on the mouth.
I might go with a bitless bridle on a young colt but you would have to earn such consideration.
If You started to walk and drag the one I was kicking, I can imagine sitting on his back for a few yards while I laughed at your attempt to pull the weight of all 5 of us along the path toward the ICE trucks or busses. I think the prisoner would try a lot harder to get up on his feet after a minute or so of that treatment. Then I would be back on your shoulder and tell you that your rest period was over and you have to continue the task.
As I said, I don't need the money and giving you half wouldn't bother me at all.
But it did require some effort on my part , sitting up there, having to duck low hanging branches, while sometimes squeezing your head between my thighs to maintain my position on you. And let's not forget the fact that I might have broken a nail using the riding crop on you .
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MissBaron;
Just giving my perspective. I do think your ‘fat ass’ wouldn’t be comfortable on a honey shoulders and watching me walking right in from you, would make your ‘fat ass’ longing for my shoulders.
I’m not saying my physical looks would have anything to do with it, but I do think it would go through your head. Whether or not you said anything to me about my looks, I wouldn’t know if you would or wouldn’t. Even if you did, in our situation, I’m still your carrier/horse so it wouldn’t affect my job .
Yes, the harness would definitely benefit you and I think with the stirrups hooked to the D ring would greatly make it more comfortable for you. Easy to spur then to.
The bit you would use on me would “put direct pressure on my mouth”, explain it please?!
Would you stop me once you got up off the illegal or use stirrups to hop on as I continued to walk? I bet you would sit down hard this time too!
You working hard sitting on me and maybe breaking a nail using the crop. Lol. ![]()
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JayRey8585:
I have sat on boney shoulders many times .Various boyfriends and random guys in my teenage years at the beach etc. Once I had to literally force a guy to carry me in a chicken fight in the lake because my boyfriend at the time wasn't with me.
The boy was really skinny with narrow shoulders that I could barely sit on and I nearly drowned him trying to win.
So of course I would rather sit on broader shoulders.
My "fat ass" provides some cushion of course but a broader fuller seat is always more desirable.
The D ring on the stirrups would likely give me more freedom to kick if I understand what what you mean. You might regret pointing that out if I was sitting up there and you were not as careful to avoid bouncing me while walking on that uneven ground.
You will have to look up "Shaffel bit" to understand what it is. The best I can explain it is that it hinges inside the mouth.
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lol what is happening here? This roleplay is getting out of hand! Can I be on MissBaron's shoulders so JayRey has to carry both of us haha! Or MissBaron sideways on one shoulder of him, me sideways on the other haha! Let's sit on all the prisoners and JayRey so they cannot move and arrest them. I am The Celestial Sustainer of Heavenly Lift and Carry Principles. Outlanders! The arrogation of mankind ends now! I will send myself to your location, do my duty and bound you outlanders up! You are extravagating my principles! I am detaining you to the realm of Celestia where I live with my cat. Jayrey and prisoners are now my personal horses, I switch horse each time you get tired >
Cry about it poor man babies!
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matchavanillamilk:
Actually, It's not roleplay but rather a hypothetical that has gotten out of hand.
You on the other hand barrowed a low grade plot from some rather poorly written made for TV fantasy.
However if you choose to pursue this I would make it clear that no one gets to sit on my shoulders regardless of where ,or on who I happen to be sitting .
I have no problem with share Jayray's shoulders with you since he chose to be my beast of burden in hypothetical scenario . Perhaps his shoulders are broad enough for each of us to sit on one of them:).
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Whaat. What poorly made series? I took inspiration from one of my favourite anime games?! What if someone caught you unawares and jumped on your back or shoulders and they didn't get off and you were spinning around trying to get them of HAHA.
Of course let us share this rather beastly horse, I wonder how old it is? It would be amusing for me as an 18 year old to burden an older carrier with my 56kg and see how long he can carry me for! I have no compunction doing so whatsoever and when Jayrey is too tired and slumps down onto the road. We must continue sitting on him as he desperately tries to stand up. We offer him water, we make him beg, then we pour the water on his face so that he may swallow what he can. The rest we pour on the ground and he tries to lap it up as we sit on him.
After all, correct me if I am wrong and if you have the audacity to, Jayrey, but although regular slavery has been abolished has human horse slavery been abolished? I think not, most people are not even aware of it. So gallop along you cannot arrest us for using you as our horse ![]()
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Poor Jayrey have you been scared off poor babyy? You should know that consent is for equals, a steed cannot negotiate nor will I accept any negotiations, if you kneel as my mount, I won't insult you by asking if you are ready to bear my weight, don't be shocked when I climb aboard and ride you to exhaustion!
My horses are not my partners, they are pedestals for my elegance, beauty and cruelty. I know my silence is louder than any whip, and they ache for every unspoken order. I ride with grace they serve with gratitude. My man horse does not ask when I will be ready, he knows I will already be on top of him. He thanks me for the privilege of pain.
If you will excuse me I need to use my Dendro powers to become one with the ground and teleport away using my Hydro and Anemo powers, I have to pass judgement to a very unlucky horse in this forum who's post has made me quite irascible. Good day!
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matchavanillamilk:
So clearly you are presenting yourself as a young and decidedly effeminate dominant male /transvestite . I hope you don't imagine you could shock me in that persona since I have several gay male friends with somewhat similar fetishes. However my experience with transexuals in real life is rather limited in my real life.
In actuality I might find it amusing to share a carrier with you and even abuse him to a degree. since you are obviously rather petite
(56kg) the two of us sitting on an exhausted man would be rather cute . The addition of your weight might be sufficient to keep even a rather strong man under us even as we taunt and abuse him.
His age? With the exception of one 70+ year old man who's shoulders I sat on a few years ago, I really never bothered to consider the carriers age.
Pulling your skirt over the carrier's head does work well as a blindfold. In my experience it's quite disorienting to the person you're sitting on and requires verbal commands even in a place that is open with no obstacles, so be prepared for him to stumble and position yourself so you land on top of him rather than the ground.
Since you imagine your slave as being a docile male who welcomes both your weight on his neck /shoulders as he serves as a "pedestal" and serves in putting you on display, I confess to having similar feelings about the latter.
But while I find such an image both amusing and perfectly acceptable, I wonder how you would feel if your carrier was heterosexual and somehow forced into his position. Perhaps like Jayrey, he enjoyed serving as a beast of burden to biological women but very much resented having an 18 year old male sitting on him?
Would you handle him differently? Push him farther? bounce your ass on him harder so as to express your dominance over your unwilling mount? You weigh less than I do, so the burden might be as much in his mind as on his neck and shoulders.
As for someone attacking me and climbing on my shoulders, I can't answer that . I have no idea what I would do and I have always considered myself as the one in charge.
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Uh huh, I am very much similar to my dear friend urfavtransgirlxo, except I am more willing to ride to exhaustion! Dear MissBaron when did i insinuate shocking you dear? I am actually gender fluid maybe catgender demigirl. LewLifts here has heard my voice and has concluded I am definitely not a male and i can agree!
I agree! It would very cute as our poor slave is burdened. How tall are you? I am about 5 foot 6.5. If a heterosexual man did not want to carry me I would use his male pride and arrogance against him I would say things like 'Haha you are so weak, you are refusing bc you're not strong enough HAHAHAH' and keep going until he finally relents! Me neither even if the horse is 40 or 50 I would not care tbh, as long as they are strong!
Haha, well I fantasise about feeling the horse's muscles pulsing and moving as he walks/ runs and him falling along with me will be very amusing indeed. Wow we are quite similar indeed! I would go as far as to say I may be a version of you reincarnated as a teenager! I prefer to be referred to as she or they and I do not think they will know my true gender really haha especially due to my voice.
It would be fun to bounce on him and although i am quite slim I do have sufficient woman's hips and bum so would be fun! I am curious as to why a lot of people like being referred to as pony rather than horse? I would have thought, since a horse is bigger and stronger, that would resonate with most mens' desires.
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