Ultimate shoulder rides

rider_in:

To answer  your last question first, my longest ride was almost certainly on my husband (now ex husband) and was perhaps  two hours or so, including pauses where he simply stopped  crawling while I sat on his back .  Tormenting him was always fun for me, especially near the end of the marriage when I was otherwise  bored  with him in general.

I feel very much the same  about both all fours and shoulder riding as you do in regard to being  very much in charge of the man I'm sitting on except that I  prefer less enthusiastic carriers that I push into submission rather than those who  have a submissive fetish.

I also enjoy  watching  other's riding and dominating men. This incudes my dear friend Wayne who indulges  his submissive partners  who are willing carriers and  fully dominating  and even punishing  them by pushing them beyond their limits.
Sex of course is not part of  my relationship with Wayne, but I  admit to being  turned on and even fully aroused  watching  Wayne sitting on  a submissives guy's back, spurring the  carrier beyond his limits and bouncing (posting) on the guy's  back until he fails.

This may all sound very cruel but  none of the carrier under  Wayne (or me) have ever suffered any serious injuries and almost all willingly return  for the same treatment  (smile).

JayRey8585:

A lot would depend on the distance  covered, which friends were involved and how  private the setting was as well as how well the human carriers were trained.

Simply having you crawl to the site might be amusing for me, but it could also wear you down and make you less fun once we were ready for me to sit on you and ride you with my friend.
Though I love my friend Julia dearly, I can only assume that her carrier would have trouble keeping pace. It's  doubtful she would choose a big or really strong man since she dates guys who are smaller than she is  virtually all the time, so her carrier would likely be one of them.   To encourage  her I would urge Julia to  use  a riding crop on her carrier and of course I would watch her carriers  condition (red face etc.) to determine when I should slow you down or perhaps stop  so that Julia and I can talk while you rest without dismounting.

I have two other female friends who would likely accept such an arrangement.
I would have to rule out one of them who is a former dominatrix who hates men and would only be motivated by the opportunity to hurt  her carrier.
The other is a 3 time divorcee  who only weighs  about 160 lbs or so.
She has a live-in former brother in law that  sponges off her and is unemployed and I assume would be  the  guy she would pick as a carrier since she treats him very much like a slave already.  She would be just as interested in the uniqueness of the activity as the social aspect.

As for you lagging behind or disobeying,? I still have those spurs and  you would feel them on your flanks if you failed me or embarrassed me in front of my friends.
If you still fail me, I would trade  carrier with Julia for a few laps and see if you like having her sitting on your  back better:)?

JayRey8585:

I'm very competitive in  a fun way, so if one of the ladies suggested a  race, I would want you at least as fresh as their carriers  when I sat on you.
So we would walk into the event area like  friends  and you become my human horse  as soon as we were inside.   The place I'm think of is an indoor arena where  they sometimes put on equestrian shows with real horses. It's a few miles from my home and I know  the people who operate it and I could almost certainly get permission to use it privately.

If I  brought along the  former dominatrix, she would be more interested in hurting the  guy  she chose to ride than having fun pushing him to his limits.  I watched her sit on a  guy's chest and beat on him so badly that it stopped being entertaining for me. I think she weighs about 200 lbs. and  she would probably spoil our fun if I invited her along.

My 3 times divorced friend would be a better choice and she could  force  her freeloading  ex brother in law by threatening to evict him from her home. He's submissive to her anyway and  rather unintelligent in general.  I can count on her to not be easy on him but   she is just about the same size as he is so it would be interesting to see how well he can bear up with her sitting on his back.

I doubt we could ger  Julia to  use a  bigger or stronger carrier since she  prefers  men she can overpower or at least she thinks she can .. 
the guys  she  dates are  guys who love plus-sized women and they all submit to her desires .

If Julia and I traded  carriers, you would  have trouble bearing up under her and  she wouldn't take it easy on you.

we would all ride abreast rather than single file  and  you shouldn't expect any of us to dismount during rest  periods, though you may get into a kowtow position while the ladies chat for 5 or 10 minutes. You may  reply  to me if I talk to you  but not converse with other carriers since horses don't talk.

JayRey8585:

As soon as we were inside, I would order you to the all fours position and sit on your back as a bench while I attach my spurs to my boots.
The ladies could choose their own clothing but I wear skirts and i seen no reason to dress up to satisfy any man's fetishes or  fantasies.  You might be shirtless  with pants or jeans rather than shorts so your knees don't get too sore on that dirt floor.

I wouldn't normally object to the way the former dominatrix beats up on her men. I watched her  a couple of times and   cheered her on at first.  But she was punching and pounding the poor idiots face as well as scratching his face making it bleed and that was just a bit to much for the small insult she was avenging. As I said, she hates men and would probably only sit on a guy's back to try and break it.

The  divorcee  would be a much better choice  and if her  ex brother in law  was the slacker, I might urge her to use the crop or kick him hard with her heels. If he  didn't keep up I might switch carrier wither her and  really dig my spurs into his flanks and stomach until he caught up or fell on his face.

A slight kick to your head would indicate that I was talking to you or giving you a command.
If you talked to another carrier I would  kick much harder and remind you of your place!
The other ladies should follow my lead on things like that.

As for  tack, I might have to loan the  divorcee some of mine including the riding crop. I might encourage her to wear high heels  to use as spurs because I don't think she own boots that spurs would fit on.

JayRey8585:

I'll answer some of this right now as my time allows.
I would prefer that you were shirtless and wore knee pads.
Wearing a skirt I would fee more secure with my thighs resting on your bare skin . That is something I discovered when I  sat on my ex husband's bare back, that flesh tends to adhere to  flesh and when I was sitting on his broad back  that stability was comforting.
Since during this time in this situation, you would be  my "slave" and your opinion simply wouldn't  matter.

If I chose to change carriers with either of the other ladies, it would be my choice and I doubt you would envy the carrier once I was sitting on him  even if  Julia was the  one I temporarily  switched  with.
If it were my  divorcee friend  you wouldn't  envy her ex brother in law either  since I don't like him anyway.

JayRey8585:

We seem to see this fantasy relationship differently.

for the most part, I don't see how your  ego  or desires as  worthy of consideration
if you are my carrier.  I would see you as my servant or slave from the moment you consented .  I never cared  or even considered what a horse might want when I sat on him and you would be serving in virtually the same capacity as a real horse.

If I chose to switch with either of the other ladies while I demonstrated how to discipline their carriers who might be slackers or struggling, I wouldn't expect  either of them  to stand while your back was available for them to sit on. 

If  for example I suggested a race  or something similar, I would be expecting you to try to win  and  I would  spur you along to that end.  I would hope that each of the other ladies would do their best to win as well  and if you  failed me  by some chance, their  might be consequences for you.

My real life  handyman is 56 years old and except for the potential punishment you might receive in the fantasy scenario, regardless of his fetish/desires, I expect him to serve me from the instant I sit on him until I dismiss him. 
I'm sure there have been many times  he wanted to end a riding secession  before I  dismissed him or exhausted  him  but he knew better .

JayRey8585:

As I see it, and for the sake of inserting myself in this even as a fantasy situation, one person sitting on another person implies  dominants  and superiority even if the person being used as the seat/carrier is a very willing participant in  his position.

when you are bearing my weight and submitting to my directions and authority, I would treat you as a beast of burden and as such  inferior to me, just as I would a real horse or donkey would be.

Spurring you to  urge you along  is different than  spurring for  you as a punishment. The punishment  would be much harsher  and result in  pain.   You would know this and accept  it  before we arranged for this activity.

JayRey8585:

Even in such a fantasy scenario, I can't see myself  punishing you for slowing down or showing signs of exhaustion. I wouldn't normally push a  real horse  beyond his limits and  40  minutes of hard riding would be  quite a long time even if I wasn't sitting on your back.

Of course I would have to berate you verbally and spur you to maintain my authority so you don't try to take advantage of my  leniency .

I  would probably enjoy feeling your back muscles twitching while I was sitting on them.
In real life I loved that  when I was on my husband's back and also on handyman's back.
I can't explain why except for the  tiny flexes and the feeling on my weight bearing down on you  reminds me that you are a human male serving me even as you are resting and serving as my seat.

JayRey8585:

I don't know of anything  the  other ladies or I could do or do to our carriers to make it more interesting while we're sitting on you.
In any race involving the ladies I selected, I would win since  Julia's carrier  would likely give out  withing a few minutes of her sitting on him and the other lady I had in mind would be more  interested in  punishing and  humiliating her ex brother in law than wining the race or any other contest I can think of.

Perhaps we could have our carriers try to buck us off like a bronco situation?
But Julia's carrier wouldn't be able to budge her and I doubt the ex brother in law would fair any better.

JayRey8585:

Though I think it would be impractical and having two of the carrier drag Julia's carrier while  we sat on him, the idea of using him like a toboggin is rather amusing.
Once  during a winter skating and sledding outing many years ago, a boy  denied us access to one of the sleds when it was our turn and I suggested  that the  four girls with me should sit on him and ride him down the hill instead. It didn't happen of course but we  did threaten him. I wonder what would have happened to him if we did ???

As for what  I might do or think about while I was riding or just sitting on you, I can only  relate it to what  happens while I'm sitting on handyman.                                                  Often my mind wanders to the point that I don't think about him at all , especially if he's stationary for a period of time.  Once while I was sitting on his back while Julia and I were having one of our  marathon phone conversations, I forgot about him completely and if he hadn't  given out  and fell under me, I might not have noticed who or what I was sitting on for quite some time. Considering his age and all, I might have  ended up sitting on his dead body .

Truthfully, if my spurs were cutting you as you crawled under me, I  guess it would depend on how happy I was with your performance up to that point.
While I didn't normally wear even ordinary spurs while I  was on my ex husband's back, he was  sometimes poked and even cut by my spiked heels. When he reacted or complained, I enjoyed  his pain and discomfort to some degree because I could always find an excuse to punish him by that point in our relationship.

JayRey8585:

I think if we used that boy as a sled he wouldn't have  had to hit a tree to be in trouble if the four of us all sat on him at the same time:).
Two of the other girls were bigger than I was  and at least one of us would have had to sit on his head to have us all fit. LOL

As for dragging the ex brother in law around that arena  , I don't think  you or even my  muscle-headed ex husband could drag one of those guys with Julia sitting on him . I think it would be fun to watch  though

I could get permission  to use the arena  because my  friend  Wayne owns part of it. Actually, it's part of a complex where several events  take place including an area that holds a fight club and another that is rented out for  parties and  things like wedding receptions.

While this is all a fantasy scenario of course, the arena is quite real and Wayne would insure our privacy, especially if he was allowed to watch.

JayRey8585:

I replied to your last post and for some reason my reply disappeared after posting.
I can't think of any reason  for it's removal .

JayRey8585:

I can give you the gist of the post.

I said that the guy we didn't actually use as a toboggin wouldn't have had to hit a tree as you suggested  to be in trouble with the four of us sitting on him and sliding down that icy  hill.

Wayne has always been fascinated watching me dominate  men in just about every way.  It's hard to explain our relationship since I'm almost completely heterosexual and Wayne is openly gay.  I guess it's a case of us being kindred  spirits since he is also dominant  and has  what I can only call a "stable" of submissive gay men.  But he  also enjoys seeing straight men dominated, especially strong straight guys.
Wayne has a lot of effeminate ways  but I suppose he would like to watch me ride you  and  imagine himself being in my place.

You asked about  using a  bit that would cause a  horse pain. I prefer not to use one on a horse or a man I was riding. Perhaps it would train either a man or a horse to be obedient faster or it might have the reverse effect. I prefer to use just the spurs  and sometimes  a crop whether I'm sitting on a horse or a man.

JayRey8585:

I remember that  "almost a sled" guy  as being more or less average.
I don't think in reality I could have   gotten him down alone, but the  four of us  could have  pinned him and sat on him  if we really  tried to. In remembering  that day I really wish  we actually did it
There was a point on that icy hill that had a lump , and  every sled sort of jumped in the air when going down.  If we had been sitting on that guy as a sled, we probably would have squished him . But I imagine  he would have been softer to land on than those hard toboggan sleds would by under our bottoms . 

I think Wayne  would have been happy to take my place sitting on your back when he was watching. I know that doesn't  interest you , but if he did you probably wouldn't know the difference if you didn't see him mount you in my place. He only weighs about 30 lbs. more than I do and he's not one of those hard butt guys.

I don't think I would  use one of hose bits that hurt a horse's mouth on either a horse or a man. I like obedience but I prefer just causing a little pain without injury.
I never even injured my my ex husband though sometimes I wish that I had .

Depending on my mood, I think I would like to treat you like a real animal and push your limits . I would almost certainly  want you to wish that you  had never gone to the arena  or let me sit on your back. I love being served by strong men who sacrifice their bodies and endure discomfort and even pain to amuse me.

JayRey8585:

I think we might have killed that guy if we used him as a sled that way.
It's fun to think about and two of the girls really wanted to do it after I suggest it.
I think we might have gotten into real trouble if we did.

I guess I would  look for whoever looked enough like your photo and I would sit on your back assuming  no one was already sitting on you and ask if you were JayRey8585.
If it was you, I would invite Wayne to sit beside me on you since I would be sideways  when I asked your identity and I know he would. Wayne would enjoy adding his weight, especially because  you're  a straight guy.

I would know that since you were there, you would expect me to dominate you right from the start and I would make it very clear that you could only speak when I gave you permission.   I would have to wonder if there could be a group of people that I didn't know, showing up at the arena to ride or be ridden . I know Wayne  has a few dominant gay men who might go there to ride submissives but I doubt he knows many women .

JayRey8585:

In your scenario, I probably wouldn't  go alone to meet you there.
Wayne might go with me for protection because I know he would try to protect me even though you're bigger. Meeting a guy I didn't know can be dangerous since confessing your fetish on a board like this doesn't mean that it's your real fetish or that you're not a rapist maniac.

I would approach you cold and indifferent just as I might any beast of burden and direct you without any humor or warmth so that my power over you is implied by my tone and superior attitude.   I will know  from experience  by your reaction if you are really submissive.

I would of course walk in front of you down to the arena, indifferent to you watching other peoples activities. I would have you remove your shirt etc. and put on your kneepads so you would only be wearing our shorts and kneepads and I would order you down on your hands and knees and sit sidesaddle on your back. I would sit down on you hard and bounce a few times to test your back to see if you were  as strong as you claim to be.
I would want your back to be bare because as I explained  before flesh holds on to flesh better than to any kind of fabric.

After testing your back, I would remain on you and put the spurs on my boots since I wouldn't wear them on my way to  the event and risk damaging my car's upholstery.
Then I would kick you slightly with my spurs, just enough to make you bleed a little bit. 
by kicking you like that I would be testing to see how much you flinch . It's ok to flinch but    of course you shouldn't roll over in pain or buck me off  your back.  I would want a safe enjoyable ride and your endurance and obedience  are important  factors.

Carrying a girl was quite common in my youth.
In our street there were many more girls than b boys.
Quite a few of them were older as I was and therefore they were quite stronger as I was.
So if I wanted to play the only way was to play with the girls and they made the rules..
Most of the girls were used to ride because they came from wealthy families and therefore itv was clear for them that I had to serve because I came from a poorer family.
One day some of the elder girls who just came from riding and who were still wearing their tight jodhpurs and elegant riding boots orders me to go down because they wanted to have ride on my back.
As they were stronger as I was and as they had their crops in their hands I better obeyed and did as they wanted.
All the other girls were giggling and loud laughing at me went I got down and the best built and strongest girl sat down on my back.
I hope for you that you won't collapse little horsey my rider was pregnantly mocking at me.
It was extremely hard and she ordered me through a long garden always keeping up her feet from the ground.
Fortunately the grass was soft but my knees and my arms were extremely exhausted and under mocking and teasing moments of the other girls I carried on.
My first rider called me a softie and wimp and decided that she and the other girls would train me the next time as long as I would be a real horse…

frederik:

Perhaps you enjoyed carrying the girls.  But even if you didn't I applaud the girls for taking advantage  of you.

I  didn't come from a wealthy family but acquired wealth in my early adult life  and accepted  wealth as  power, including power over people.

I wouldn't contend that poorer people are inferior  but rather that I find it perfectly acceptable for the wealthier privileged class to take advantage of the labor of  those who are far less fortunate, even to the point of simply amusing  ourselves at their expense.
This includes males of wealthy families as well as women.



I might guess that the girl who sat on your back saw you as an inferior because of your social stature and was unconcerned   with your potential  discomfort caused by her actions and chose to amuse herself  at your expense. She likely accepted the fact that life isn't fair and  that by  her social/financial superiority she had an innate right to use you as she saw fit.

Frederik
I think it was rather common in our childhood that we the girls were trying to ride on boys.
Most mothers were proud of their daughters and were backing those activities.
I made therefore together with most of my girl-friends very similar experiences.
Especially the sporty and self-confident girls were really keen on these e4xperiences.
I do not think that we were sadistic (perhaps quite a little bit) but we were not cruel ate all.
And BTW still at my school time it was quite normal and compulsive that boyr had to carry girls for piggyback ride during sports lessons.
And even riding on all fours were part of sports lessons.

JayRey8585:

I must disagree on at least one point.
While it's possible (outside of fantasy) that I might want to ride your back for over an hour or even two hours, I doubt that you or any human male could crawl with me sitting on your back for that length of time if I were to ride the way I prefer.

My preference is to sit on a man's back  in the middle or on his upper back which most of my weight on his arms rather than on his hips.
I often start  with my legs over his shoulders since I enjoy feeling his back muscles moving and straining beneath me and I start the ride  very fast as soon as I sit on him.

When I did this on my ex husband and often  lately with Handyman,  both have been to exhausted to move in about a half hour or so. Both my ex and handyman have failed to even manage to push themselves  up with me sitting on his back even when I used a crop or bounced on his back to encourage him.

I know you're strong  but   I think that any man would have a lot of trouble  going even a half hour under me if I was  in a mood to push his limits.

JayRey8585:

Whether I allow you to rest for any length of time, or even get off your back while you're stationary would depend on how satisfied I was with your performance.

I don't always dismount when I let Handyman  rest and it would also depend on  whether I felt a need to  stretch my legs.

While you rest I would probably chat with other riders who are resting their carriers or catching up on my e-mails.

Tie you up? Do you mean like to a hitching post or more like hobbling you?

When I decided you rested enough I would just sit on you again and tell you what I expect when we continue our ride.

JayRey8585:

I wouldn't care if you heard  what I was talking about with other rider. Even if I was talking about you it wouldn't matter because at that point you would be just another dumb animal, A beast of burden.

If another rider was interested, I might suggest trading carriers with her or him.
If  it was a heavier woman or a man, and I was somehow disappointed in your performance, having the heavier person sit on your back  might make you appreciate me more when we trade back.

As for hobbling you, it would just be a way to keep you from wandering during the rest period and not while I'm riding you.

As for what I say to you when I feel you have rested enough, I would use the same tone I would with any beast of burden.  I would probably bounce on on your back when I sat on it to test  it  and make sure you wouldn't drop me or embarrass me during the next riding period.

JayRey8585:

If I traded with another rider (probably a heavier woman) I would look for one that  looked big enough to make you feel the difference between us as soon as she sat on you.
I think it would be fun to see if you could buck her off  if she was like 200 lbs or even Julia's size.

If you tried to respond and interrupt my conversation with another rider, I would consider it very rude and unbecoming of  the beast of burden that you would be  that day.
I can imagine myself kicking you in the stomach for such an infraction .

I have only kicked guys in their balls in self defense and a few times by accident.
I don't  pick that place to kick a guy  because a guys  sex drive is the  weapon I  use against him  to control him. A  eunuch wouldn't have a sexual desire or a fetish that I can take advantage of and there are so many other things I can do to hurt, dominate and humiliate a man, so why risk ruining him for myself or the next woman who takes control of hm,?

I use the spurs and crop to make you go faster and to punish you for disobedience and mistakes you make.   Occasionally I would kick you with the spurs or slap you with the crop when I was sitting on your back while you were stationary to indicate that it was time to continue our ride.

JayRey8585:

What I say or the other rider and I talk about doesn't warrant a reply from you even if you are the subject. Even if I'm complaining about your performance , praising or insulting you, you are just a beast of burden for as long as you're serving me as a carrier or a seat.

Since we are talking about some random person trading carriers with me, you might be able to buck her/him off. If you did so  against my wishes I might be very angry with you.
But just for example, if it was Wayne or Julia I traded with, I think you would have a problem getting either of them off your back. Wayne is smaller than you and you're most likely stronger, but Wayne wrestles and knows ways of staying on top. I think he could probably stay on your back until you were out of energy.

Julia's weight would make it hard for you to buck under her and even if you did buck you would just have her bouncing on your back . Julia is a very sweet lady  but she can be really rough if you tick her off. I still enjoy the memory of Julia fighting back against her disgusting ex husband. Even though you are certainly stronger than that vile man she  could  really hurt you if she got you on the ground like she did with him.

I  really don't like making a guy's balls as a target or causing him pain in that place unless I have to in defending myself.

I may give verbal commands when I'm riding you  or admonish you for a poor performance while I'm riding or sitting on your back.
But You would know by my tone  if I want a response.
You have to remember that as my carrier, you are a horse and horses don't talk.

JayRey8585:

I'll start with the last question first.
Of course I will respond to a more attractive man or horse in a more positive manner.
Fair or not, everyone tends to be a little nicer to good looking people. It's just the way people are.  If I were to meet you for the first time at that arena and I looked was bald with missing teeth and one eye on my forehead, would you really let me sit on your back or want me to? 
My idea of a  good looking man can be different than another woman idea but my prejudice toward attractive people  is the same as everyone else.

My commands would be typical such as "giddyap" "whoa" and occasional  things like "left /right" if you were not immediately following my nonverbal signals. If you were stationary, resting etc. and I was  just sitting on your back, I would tell you everything I didn't like about your performance and probably kick  you in the flanks or stomach with each complaint to emphasize my disappointment so you will remember not to do those things again.

As long as the person I traded carriers with didn't injure you and spoil you for the next part of the ride, I would respect their manner of riding. I might even encourage that person if I thought the extra discipline could improve your performance.

I might give you a few moments to recover after the rider I traded with dis mounted before I sat on you to continue the ride, but just a few moments since I don't want to spoil you.  If you are not enduring fatigue and discomfort  in serving me ,then it's not truly submission  on your part.