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Just to keep things interesting, I'm asking riders and carriers to describe what they imagine would be the ideal example of the person beneath or on top of them respectively. You may include any aspect or gender, race, age, physicality, attitude, degree of dominance or submissiveness, attire, sexual persuasion, riding/carrying style as well as the use of accoutrement ( crops, spurs, halters, saddles etc.) and any additional services you may want he carrier to perform or the rider to demand.
You may wish to include any variant in your choice that could change because of conditions and place you may want the activity to take place as well as your ideal location and the conditions you may prefer.
Hi Ab An interesting concept,a chance for perfection,some hopes.
The ideal rider should be 1/2 to 2/3 the weight of the carrier,the ability to convey to the carrier his/her intentions so that is time a bond is established between,so that in time,the riders slightest actions can stransmited to the carrier.Is it possible,yes, resulting in immence satisfaction.
Nice question, Audrey! I think we will be seeing a lot of different replies. Looking back the riders that I have favoured the most where women that, during every day life did not appear to be dominant, but then once on your back or shoulders started to turn into selfish, ever demanding riders enjoying themselves no matter how you feel below or what else your needs are about. Needles to say these were rare exceptions I believe. Maybe some other carriers have had more luck but thats just my observation. And then of course there are riders who enjoy but you can SENSE that they are having doubts about the ride, they may feel like they are doing something wrong, maybe thinking of possibly hurting you while sitting on top more than they enjoy theirselves. Im not criticizing - most often these really start to enjoy once you make them feel more confident about it.
I wouldnt want to have saddles on me, i prefer to feel my rider sitting on me, moving on top.. using me. Regarding crops.. for a quite a while I always wanted a rider to use crops and spurs on me - until one actually did and ever since then crops&me are really having a love-hate relationship. It's really complicated: I dont like the pain but yet I love the humilating aspect about it.
Ideal location for a ride would be the beach. I havent tried that yet, but I imagine the sand&water to be interestingly challenging and also tiring at the same time. Oh and once there, I would also love and try those dunes we usually see on the shores over here.
I have always dreamt of my ideal ride as -
A Middle aged woman like 40 years of age
She must be heavy like 85-90 kg.
Should know horse riding too.
Should ride me properly like one ride a horse with all the equipments attached
She I dream is very rich having a vacant home for riding activities.
She should keep riding me until I collapse and then breaks and then also endlessly
She can ride me Shoulder ride
If I get this one. I will be in heaven.
I agree with most of your assessment. I like to imagine a carrier who is strong and has a little spirit like a young horse would have. Willing to obey but requiring some correction and authority from the rider. As for the accoutrement ,I rather like the idea of having a crop and even spurs but not to actually use them on my carrier and I wouldn't want them to be required to keep him in line or to have these things with me if I don't want to bother with them.
This may sound a bit strange but I like the equestrian aspect and the symbols of authority of the rider over the horse, but I would rather have my carrier knowing I could spur him or use the crop rather than hurting him with them.
My ideal version of a carrier is rather fluid. I like the idea of sitting atop a powerful beast but I also like to imagine him straining a little in serving me. I haven't decided on what sort I would like more.
I'd like to carry a black woman wearing jeans miniskirts with side openings and high heels and poking her butt and calling me a slave or horse in front of other people and laughing a lot at me. I would also like this to happen in a show where she would make me keep my head down and dance a lot without worrying about whether I'm tired or not.
I really like your description about the usage of spurs&crops. I act and behave differently when knowing that riders carry a crop or have spurs on them. To be honest, the pain inflicted when these are actually being used is not the worst pain I have ever experienced but the level of pain is for sure enough to try and avoid these situations. I can probably say knowing a crop is around makes me act more obedient, makes me try even harder to satisfy her and have her comfortable on top. I know the crop is there and the only reason to avoid it is to actually behave and do exactly what she wants you to. You will not know when it will hit but for sure it will hit when you mess up. That is how they are really supposed to work i guess. Needles to say im obedient anyways but crops&spurs kind of add to the cruel arsenal of options to correct and punish us carriers.
Did you by any chance ride bio horses or have gone through riding lessons, Audrey? You seem to intuitively would use them in the same manner as a lot of other equestrian would do.
One last thing that I want to share that also highlights the sort of helpless situation carriers are sometimes in: The more tired and exhausted you get the more the pain of crops&spurs will get to you. Unfortunately the more tired you get the more you also tend to make errors or misbehave (unintentionally). And that in turn will let her use the crop even more.. a vicious cycle.
One of my favorite carries of all time happened several years ago. I was at a park helping my sister watch her kids and their friends play. One black woman was there with us (I later found out she was the older sister of one of the kids we were watching). I do not remember what prompted the discussion, but it got around to work outs and strength. The bottom line was this woman, 6'3" and around 160 lbs. with extremely long legs, did not believe I could give her a shoulder ride.
How could I resist the challenge? The next thing she knew she was high atop my shoulders and protesting that she was going to hurt me. The best part was when we left I got to carry her several hundred yards to her car.
This was the tallest girl to whom I gave a shoulder ride until a few years later when I carried a 6'5" woman on my shoulders.
Good message stream. Keep it going!
There seems to be a somewhat masochistic desire among the carriers to be used to serious exertion if not exhaustion. Let me first say that I'm not faulting this desire and in point of fat I find it interesting. I have been and see myself exclusively as a rider , though of relatively limited experience in shoulder riding as an activity.
However I find this easy to relate to many of my relationships to the extent that exceeding a man's level of willingness to serve in some capacity tends to keep him in whatever place I choose for him to be in in the relationship. In this case a carrier may see himself as performing a favor for the rider and may presume that such a favor carries and obligation of a favor in return. I would rather feel no obligation to the carrier or anyone else in regard to a situation that he entered into willingly regardless of my benefit or enjoyment.
As such, I feel that pushing him beyond his initial willingness tends to establish a certain control which is enhanced by an attitude of a selfish disregard for his physical limitations and even his desires to serve to some extent. This is an attitude I would by necessity take with a real horse and as I have said in previous posts, I believe that for the riding experience to be fully enjoyed, it should be as close to equestrian riding as possible.
In regard to some of the replies, Alex, I fully agree that using a saddle on a human carrier would be unappealing and none have been designed to be comfortable for either the human carrier or the person sitting on it/him. I have seen shows by men who have women from the audience ride saddles on the man's back while he dances etc. and it was always brief an rather awkward looking.
To be honest, I would rather sit on a man than on leather anyway.
I have taken riding lessons many years ago and enjoyed it at the time. I still ride horses occasionally but it had been rare in these past two years.
I find the desire for some carriers to have heavier riders interesting as well. A dear friend who is heavy has talked to me about this activity with tepid interest . She expressed the concerns that I imagine most heavier ladies would have. The embarrassment of having a carrier fail to lift her and possibly drop her, and possibly injuring the carrier and the stigma that may be involved.
I know she isn't inhibited about pony/all fours riding and several of her admirers have indulged her. But obviously such amusement is impractical and a short term amusement.
I like ponyplay very much, I think for several of the forum the concept of ponyplay is known, so I will not go into details, according to this, for me the ideal rider is a woman who rides with authority while I go blindfolded Way that the rider has to guide me all the time.
In the past I have been ridden by riders who are not sure of their role, so they interrupt the moment with questions of how you go, it hurts you and other questions ... Well for me it is key that each one is well inserted in its own Role, rider with attitude of rider and horse being horse, is everything.
On the other hand I comment this although I have clear that shoulder ride and ponyplay are different things, but I think there are common areas.
I do not speak English so I apologize for my writing ... I use the online translator.
Thanks for the excellent forum.
Good observation, Audrey! I also noticed that a lot of carriers would love their ideal/perfect riders to ride them until exhaustion (and probably even beyond). Occasionally you might hear scenarios where carriers would love to be ridden 'for hours' or 'spend all day being a pony'. As much as I often sometimes have these fantasies too, these thoughts are unfortunately never realistic or impossible to do. Even if I wish for an exhausting ride, at some point in time I always regret that wish and all I really want is to rest and recover. This thought becomes so predominant and pervasive after a while that it's really a mind (and physical) challenge to keep going and obey the person sitting on top - these are I guess the key points of a lot of rides.
For a similar reason I also think a lot of riders wouldn't want to ride their mount beyond exhaustion. I have had comments from riders who made me stop and rest simply because they didnt want to exhaust me to a point where they potentially would have to walk all the way back on their own - I love that selfish attitude! A lot of riders seem to somehow have a sense for that. They know when to stop to avoid complete exhaustion.
And gsgxxx has interesting point there. I also love the idea of being ridden blindfolded! That puts a nice focus on riding skills and technics such as leg aids, using the weight distribution etc.
I think there must be a balance between a rider or carrier's desires and the reality of limitations. This would be particularly true in consensual rider/carrier situations which are of course the most common partnerships. As much as I prefer to see the rider (my self included) as being fully in charge and essentially superior to the carrier, some degree of empathy for the limitations must normally exist. The rider may choose to enjoy ignoring this reality to some extent, but ultimately he/she shouldn't forget that they are sitting on a real human being. But obviously, even beyond empathy, an exhausted carrier could collapse and drop me, he could also become so tired that he would injure himself with a misstep and be unable to carry me back or in the worse case he could actually die. Even if I consider this completely selfishly, his death would be inconvenient beyond just walking back. There could be complications with the authorities concerning the cause of his death and in the real world, such things could become rather unpleasant.
I can imagine that even the most devoted carrier might also find that the pain of his efforts is to great and no longer worth whatever enjoyment he formerly derived from the activity. Then of course the master/mistress would have to find an equally qualified replacement.
If a carrier derives his pleasure from a masochistic type of submission, I think other forms of using him could be incorporated after the shoulder ride, depending on the riders proclivity. Stationary shoulder sitting as I suggested in a previous post, all fours riding or simply sitting on his back etc. could fulfill a submissives desires to be dominated and may still amuse the rider as well.
As much as I appreciate and enjoy the views of the carriers here, I wish some riders would respond and give us their views as well. I'm not as experienced as some of the riding members here and I feel somewhat remiss in implying an authority on a subject that I'm less experienced with.
Thanks Audreyb for starting this subject, I find it very interesting! And thanks for sharing your ideas with us.
While we wait for more opinions from riders, I'll post my views as a carrier.
Like gsgxxx, I'm more of a ponyplay fan than a shoulder ride fan, even if I enjoy both, and there are a lot of common between the two. For me, the experience is a manifestation of submission with a heavy physical component, where you work hard to submit to the rider wishes.
What kind of rider would be my perfect one? There are two almost opposite stereotypes that I find incredibly stimulating. I'll explain each of them:
1) A dominant woman who loves to play with my mind while she rides me to exhaustion.
I guess most people on these pages would love a dominant woman who rides with confidence, making us follow her rules. I'd go a step further and love her to play games with me where I have to carry her and do more effort if I make a mistake; a "pony predicament game" of sorts.
I'll add an example for clarity. I once played a game where I was on fours carrying a woman, and had two bowls, one with a number of marbles, and another empty, one on each side of the room. I had to pick them with my lips one by one, and carry them to the other bowl. If I dropped one, I had to go find it and also got a couple hits with the crop, increasing the number with each mistake. As I got more tired of carrying her, and doing the push-up motion to get each one, I dropped them more often, resulting in more effort and punishment.
It's a kind of game that really plays with your mind, and makes you feel completely submitted to the rider.
2) A sweet and innocent looking girl, which really knows how to manipulate and use people while looking angelical.
I meet such a girl when I was only a kid and became captivated by her techniques, and have been in awe of such kind of woman ever since. She was capable of making any man do whatever she wanted, but without breaking the innocent and pure appearance. I can easily fantasize with such a carrier, where she seems ashamed of having you carry her, and pretends to don't want to make you endure undue hardship, but using that appearance only to force you to carry her until you can't go anymore.
On the other hand, if I had to describe how would I love a carrier to look like, I'd pick a chubby girl, around 80kg or a bit more, with curves and strong legs that can tightly wrap around me for a better ride. Really similar to a couple pics I posted some time ago here.
I have known many women who could manipulate men into virtually anything and seem as innocent as angels. They always seem apologetic when they manipulate a man into serving them in whatever way they can. While I can appreciate your weakness and desire for such a woman, I prefer to be more honest in most cases and while I may manipulate a man softly in the beginning, most seem to appreciate my directness as soon as I have determined that I make demands that he will follow or submit to.
Riding on a man's back in the pony/all fours position is of course impractical for any long term form of transporting and is usually just play, a temporary game or serious domination.
This is somewhat unfortunate because sitting on a carrier's back is more comfortable than sitting on his shoulders and affords more option to sit comfortably. One may sit astride in the equestrian riding position, side saddle , or with the rider's legs over the carrier's shoulders. It can be as innocent or as sadomasochistic as the people involved choose it to be.
An 80 Kg,(176 lbs.) woman sitting on his back would push most carriers limitations in either distance or duration. But I have seen rather frail looking men manage heavier riders several times.
The advantage of the all fours position is that because of the way a human spine is constructed, the chance of seriously injuring his back by sitting on it is unlikely, and if he falls, the rider will probably remain on top ,cushioning the riders fall, so the carrier failure doesn't cause the rider any harm.
I realize by the comments that for several of the carriers, we prefer apparently riders with experienced in what they do, but in the case of riders, it will be the same ?, that is, horses with experience ... or there will be for each riders one process of dressage and training to be the ideal horse that they wish mount?
On the other hand, I think Audreyb has great reason, and I fully agree that the opinion of more horsemen is very importan. Also the initial question of this post is very interesting for to let pass
I have tried to imagine the ideal carrier in both shoulder riding and all fours riding. Since I can only judge from my own point of view and based on my experience, I don't think there could be a single carrier who would be perfect fit for every rider who sat on him.
I imagine the carrier having experience, and by that the endurance to carry the rider on his shoulders or back, plus the obedience and/or willingness to serve a particular rider would be a prime consideration. Much like my first experience in shoulder riding as an activity, on the shoulder's of a decidedly gay man, I believe that some straight carrier who would be willing to carry a woman may object to carrying a male rider. I assume that other prejudices such as weight, age and even race could be factors.
In a recent conversation with some friends who have indulged in shoulder riding and all fours riding but don't pursue the activity to any degree, I found it interesting that three of them ( two men and one woman) thought it would be more interesting/amusing to ride a reluctant or indifferent carrier.
I found this interesting in that I experienced similar feelings , a certain satisfaction, for want of a better term, on that first ride with my friend on the carrier he loaned me.
Now I'm curious to know if other riders have similar feelings or experiences.
Thank you very much for an excellent forum.
I comment that, without being a rider, I have read in riding forums on biological horses some situations that I will enumerate below, which call me to attention on the preferences of the riders of the "real" equestrian world
1) Some riders prefer riding on horses with a wild spirit, that is, horses that present a challenge for the riders when they are riding and commanded.
2) There are also some riders in this type of forums, who prefer to win the rider position, similar to what happened in the movie "AVATAR" in the scene of flying dragon riders. By this I mean riding on a horse that any rider can not easily ride and control, the same for horses in which only the right rider can ride them and get maximum performance or maximum speed.
3) On the other hand, we have another situation, in which a rider can do some things with his horse, for example, riding and galloping, while another rider with the same horse can do more things, eg jump, Make it dance, run it, walk with elegance, etc, that is, situations where it depends on the experience of the rider what is achieved with the same animal.
4) There is also the issue of taming a horse from the start ... a horse that has never been ride and tailor his behavior to the extent of the rider to comply with what the rider wants his animal: dressage, race barrels , ride hard, cavalcades, polo, etc.
I like to fantasize with the idea that all of the above or part of it, may have a simile in the world of human horses and their different types of riders in terms of experience, style of riding, plus the equestrian interests of each Rider: ride, dressage, racing, ride hard, other.
In my case my experience as a horse is limited to short rides, two to three rides approximately 5 minutes in style 2LL and 4LL.
As I see it, for a rider or carrier to seriously simulate the equestrian experience, the rider must see his carrier as a servant/beast of burden and the carrier must see the rider as fully in charge, either from the start or in a case of ultimately submitting to a superior.
I'm not implying that the rider is invariably superior as a person or the carrier is inferior. I believe that they may be equal or possible inferior or superior as people in every way regardless of their status in everyday life. I'm only talking about period of the riding activity.
However I do believe that the rider should hold himself(herself) in a high esteem and completely worthy of the service he receives and the burden he is upon his carrier. Whether he/she is sitting on the carrier's shoulders or on his back, the rider should feel comfortable in his position while remaining mindful that he is sitting on a human being.
I think that many people who might otherwise enjoy riding on another's shoulders or back would chose not to because they don't see themselves as worthy of burdening another even though the carrier offers and id sincerely willing to serve beneath them.
I'm a male liftee / rider from India.
My ideal lifter / pony would be a big, heavily muscular man who lifts and carries to show off the power in his muscles. Big, tall, heavy, muscled, confident, proud and passionate may be a few adjectives to describe him. Someone who'd like to try different styles of lifting and carrying. And of course, someone who thinks I'm 'light and easy' to carry (I weigh 68 kg). This man would be my dream lifter / pony.
I would also love to get lifted and carried by a big, muscular woman. Never got this opportunity though.
This is a good question Audreyb.
I am a male who would like to carry girls.
My ideal rider would be a white Girl in her twenties, no too tall and no too heavy. Her height around 1.60 m. Her weight would be no over 65 kg.
About her clothes, I would like she wear a cowgirl outfit. A cowgirl hat, blouse, jeans and cowgirl boots with spurs (not that I wish to be spurred by her, only if she would wishes to do it). A riding crop could a useful tool for her.
She would be dominant, but not really cruel at all. And she would really love to ride on shoulders and treat her carrier like a slave.
I am not sure about the use of saddles, if it is ok for a rider, I would wear one on my shoulders (I am not sure if there are saddles for shoulder riding).
The ideal place for a ride would be the wood or a desert.
But I really would like to carry a Girl of any race, white, black or other race. It is just that the ideal image of a cowgirl is a white (and blonde) Girl.
The answer to the question is quite simple,there can only be one rider that fits all of your criteria Audreyb
I have given as much personal information about myself as I'm comfortable with at this point.
In previous posts I have given my history and in fact more than is currently allowed in some cases.
I'm confused as to your meaning "there can only be one rider that fits all of your criteria ".
I was in effect explaining my views on the entire activity and asking the views of other riders and carriers.
I was not contending that my views are the zenith in this regard or that they are superior to the views of others.
Audreyb, I was not asking for more personal information,although it would be nice for people to state their country to give the rest of us some idea of where they are based.
What I was saying that a person with your knowledge and expertise would be a useful rider for all of us to have to pass on your knowledge.
One should aways try to improve oneself.
I live in the U.S.A. in the Midwest. I'm currently single (divorced) in my mid 30's and tend to be dominant in most of my relationships.
I would not consider myself experienced as a rider in that I am rather new to shoulder riding as an activity in itself. I prefer being carried by males but I'm rather indifferent to the gender of other riders choices of carriers or the sexual orientation of those involved in either role.
I hope this adequately answers your question.
I am obliged to you,thank you.
Excuse me, Miss Audreyb, you said that you would like the idea of having a crop and spurs
when riding on your carrier... do you mean like a cowgirl style? that sounds interesting.
Cowboy style is part of the U.S.A. culture...
For me my rider should be a solid built obedient horse, I don't need to use spurs or anything just my hand and legs, I would want him to bend his head forward to offer me comfortable seat, and I would wrap my legs around his back to keep me firmly on top, and I wish to have him carry me for long time, and by discussing first, we try to explore his limit, like doing it daily to see his endurance and stamina!
Basically I like the accoutrement such as spurs and a crop but not actually using them on a carrier, or at least not using them forcefully or often.
It's more about the appearance and feeling sexy, dangerous and in control when I'm sitting on a carrier, not hurting him, whipping him etc.
Often the way one dresses sets the mood for whatever activity one is involved in at any given time.
we have come a long way with this topic but I have to tell how much I love your attitude and mindset on various thoughts about riding - you obviously have notice already anyway I guess.
Knowing that a crop is being held in a hand of a rider who knows how to use them so that they will hurt is often more effective than actively using it. This is always a motivation for me to pay even more attention to any commands or riding aids my riders applies.
Somehow your last line really caught my attention. I always wondered if the way both riders and carriers dresses will make any rides more likely to happen or not. Imagine for instance a setting on an open air concert - do you think the choice of outfits will in any way impact the probability of rides?
I honestly don't know if one's choice of dress would make a difference in the possibilities of either obtaining a seat on another's shoulders or becoming that seat for another.
Obviously there are people and situations where the choice of clothing may inhibit such an arrangement for some people in either position while it may enhance the same in others.
For example, a girl wearing a skirt may be inhibited about seeking or accepting an opportunity to sit astride a man's shoulders and be suspicious of his motives for offering to serve beneath her for obvious reasons. Personally, I wouldn't find this a problem normally, especially if I knew the man or had a relationship with him. I am less likely than some to care or consider the opinions of other concert goers in such matters as well. However some women are more sensitive to the distain of others than I tend to be.
Once during a parade, I was wearing a pencil skirt and my date lifted me up to sit on his shoulder (just one shoulder, not astride) without asking me if I wanted to be lifted. I found this somewhat rude and disrespectful. He was a rather stupid man but I was grateful that he didn't attempt to lift me astride his neck. which of course would be problematic wearing that tight skirt. So I sat on that lummox's shoulder until the parade was over ,hoping that my weight burdened him as a way of punishing his impertinence . Fortunately, his shoulders were broad and somewhat muscular so sitting on it was at least not uncomfortable. An older woman near us gave me a sour look of disapproval which I dismissed as secret envy of my position despite the reality that I neither asked nor consented to be perched as I was in the first place.
I can't help but wonder if a male rider would find his choice of attire an issue since normally their would be less chance of exposure in male clothing.
I agree that the way one dresses sets the mood for whatever activity one is involved.
I like what you said that this is about the appearance and feeling sexy, dangerous and in control when You are riding on a ponyboy, and not about hurting him, whipping him. You are a gentle rider Miss Audreyb, I am sure it would be nice to carry you, I like the idea of a girl wearing an outfit that makes her sexy and dangerous. I am sure there must be some ponyboys who would enjoy if you ride them and use your spurs and whip on them...
Miss Audreyb, you told one of your experiences riding on the shoulders of a "slave" (lucky guy who carried a Lady like you) of your friend. During that ride, were you wearing your riding outfit with crop and spurs? can you describe your outfit, please? and can you tell that story again in more detail, please?
I was wearing short shorts and a halter top. That slave/carrier was a gay man and being the property of my (gay) friend, I wouldn't have worn spurs etc. even if I had thought of it at the time. Since that man was only interested in serving my friend, he resented carrying me and made that obvious from the moment I sat on him. My friend was quite stern and adamant in ordering my carrier to obey me and told me to be more forceful with him.
I was gentle at first but the more my carrier balked , the more forceful I became and I began to dislike him as much as he disliked carrying me (a woman) and I did what my friend said and took control just as I would with a disobedient horse. I made him bend his neck down so I could sit more forward and kicked him a little harder than I had to when I wanted him to catch up with my friend on his carrier. It was his (my carrier's) resentment of carrying a woman that annoyed me. I accept gay peoples sexuality and this man's attitude offended me.
On that first ride I didn't sit on him during the rest periods as my friend did on his carrier, but rather stood or sat on a log .
But on the next outing , with the same carrier being somewhat less obviously hostile, the ground was wet and the only log was covered with wet moss. My legs were a bit tired from gripping his neck at times to keep my balance on the uneven ground, I followed my host's example and sat on my carrier's torso when he rest in a supine position, not caring what he thought about it. He didn't dare complain with my friend sitting so close and I wasn't very heavy.
I living in Canada,I pretty want to carry you.If you can be my rider?
Thank You for sharing your shoulder ride story.
You told that ponyboy was only interested in serving your friend, and he resented carrying you from the moment You sat on him. Does it in any moment wanted you to stop and quit the ride? Probably is not nice to ride on some one who do not want to carry one I do not know how a rider would feel riding an "hostile" carrier or what a rider would.
I saw a horse trainer on TV and he said that horses have their own preferences for riders. Some of them prefer male riders, and others prefer female riders. There was a horse that was ridden only by its owner, and for females riders. It was a bronco horse. Maybe it is the same situation with humans. But humans have the freedom of choice.
You said you took control of him just as you would with a disobedient horse. Sat forward on his neck and kicked him a little harder. That guy was lucky you were not wearing your spurs. It would be a little less enjoyable for him. If you were wearing spurs, and kicked him, What your friend would said? If for example, I were your human pony, I would like you wear spurs, because like you said, this makes to see a female rider sexy and dangerous. But being spurred probably hurts a lot.
And by the way, when you wear spurs, do you wear cowgirl boots?
From my point of view, the carrier agreed to the task my friend assigned him. He made a free choice to obey my friend who would have dismissed the man from his service if he refused. I know he was a willing submissive to my friend who is quite dominant with the underlings who serve him and my friend has several such submissive masochist types who are willing to accept any order he gives them and even abuse from him. I understood this and I have encountered many such masochistic men, both heterosexual and homosexual.
To be perfectly honest, I really didn't care about the carriers feelings. A horse from a stable wouldn't have a say in who was sitting on his back and this carrier put himself in this situation.
Even at that, I treated him rather kindly in the beginning, mindful of his humanity out of courtesy to my friend. It was only after my carrier made his resentment obvious and with the insistence of my friend that I took a more firm attitude. I disliked the man and I felt no inclination to inconvenience myself for his sake. When I forced him to face downward so that I could sit more forward on his neck and shoulders, I took some satisfaction in my comfort making him less comfortable. He didn't like having a woman sit on him so I wanted that to be a punishment for his attitude as well.
I would normally wear boots if I wear spurs. I have some very nice and expensive western boots that I have used on horses. Using them on a man is a different matter and I simply like to use them as a threat and because they look sexy and dangerous.
I am very much interested in knowing your Childhood stories of riding your bother and dad..
Which is not permitted here...on tis site..
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If you can just pls mail me, we can chat there..
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Having see the comments and answers to the original question.
I am still of the opinion that Audreyb is the best person to be on top of a pony,her understanding and expression of thought
is second to none and her experience would undoubtably benefit the pony beneath her.
Thanks for the vote of confidence but I'm not the most experienced rider here by any measure.
Much of what I learned is from my gay friend and oddly from observing my plus sized neighbor .
I say "oddly" because I was the one who convinced her to take advantage of a couple of her admirers who were
willing to give her pony rides. She's still afraid of shoulder riding but her attitude in riding on their backs helped to formulate my opinions.
My gay friend is a master of controlling his submissives/carriers and has a delightful indifference to their fatigue or concerns.
He treats them as beasts of burden to a degree that I can only imitate.
I imagine my perfect carrier to be a girl/woman who should have fit body, crossfit also prefered.
In my life I been lifted only once by a girl younger to me.
For Front lift I would prefer Woman (25-40 years, not over 60 kg, between 5'3 - 5'10)
For Piggyback I would prefer girl (18-30 years, not over 56 kg, 5'0 - 5'10)
You're right, Miss Audreyb
If the carrier agreed to the task your friend assigned him. He made a free choice to obey him. If the carrier agreed to carry you, then he should have take that task without saying a word. If he was assigned to the task. After all, he was a guy carrying a Woman.
You said you really did not care about that carrier's feelings. If this carrier put himself in this situation. He should took the task from the beginning to the end. Like an agreement. You said you treated him rather kindly in the beginning, and even of that, he took an unrespectful attitude with you. After this, did you treated him hard, like best of burden?
Maybe your friend, put this task on his slave to punish him for anything... and he wanted you treat him like a beast of burden.
How long this ride was, Miss Audreyb? Did You ride on him until he could not carry You?
You said you would normally wear boots when wearing spurs.
I'm sure You look sexy and dangerous when you wear your western boots with spurs. I know you do not feel comfortable sharing too much personal information about yourself. I respect that Miss Audreyb. But I would wish I could see you wearing them one day, at least in a photo.
I would like to know more about your stories of You riding on persons.
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A girl with a bun in her hair. I am a sucker for buns. I just think they look awesome. And being on the shoulders of a girl who has one in is a dream of mine
Do you also like to carry? I am a male liftee / rider from Mumbai.
I imagine my perfect carrier to be a girl/woman who should have fit body, crossfit also prefered.
In my life I been lifted only once by a girl younger to me.
For Front lift I would prefer Woman (25-40 years, not over 60 kg, between 5'3 - 5'10)
For Piggyback I would prefer girl (18-30 years, not over 56 kg, 5'0 - 5'10)
I think I explained that I was lenient with my carrier because he was gay and understood that he preferred being submissive to other men. I accept people sexual preferences and I wouldn't have been nearly as understanding if he had been a heterosexual male submissive.
It was only after he made his resentment of my gender all too obvious that I started to dislike him and became at first indifferent to his discomfort and then later I admit to enjoying it.
I knew that making him bow his head so I could sit more comfortably on his shoulders would make his task more uncomfortable and refrained for doing so even after my friend told me to do so and sit forward as he was sitting on his carrier. But as my attitude changed in regard to my carrier I lost all empathy and treated him very much as a beast of burden or perhaps more so than I would if I had been sitting on a real horse.
My friend made it very clear that he would dismiss my carrier if he failed to obey but I don't know if punishing him was part of my friend's plan.
We rode together until my friend chose to allow our carriers their first rest period. During that first rest period my friend sat on his supine carrier while I sat on a log and allowed my carrier to rest unburdened.
I wasn't wearing boots or spurs on that ride and as I said in a previous post, I wouldn't normally use spurs on a carrier even if I was wearing them. It would just be for show and to feel sexy and dangerous. Scarring a carrier with spurs simply isn't something I would normally do.
I mentioned a trip I was on which included a guided walking tour. One of the men suggested rather seriously the possibility of hiring a local peasant to carry him on the peasants shoulders because the tour was quite long and the man was rather on the heavy side and not in very good condition.
Since I made a bad choice in wearing some very expensive and uncomfortable shoes, I wished that I could have made such a financial arrangement myself. Not only were my feet tortured by those shoes but I ruined them and they cost more than any of those peasants would earn in a year since they are quite poor.
This made me wonder if such a financial arrangement would be practical in some places for similar tours.
talking about that potential financial arrangement that you have mentioned.
Im missing the reference but I have once read this interesting article about a service offered in Argentina(?) that has existed until the late 40s or 50s. According to this article in some areas peasants offered themselves as carriers for those willing to pay for such a service. That service was widely accepted as an alternative means of transportation in areas where horses could not get around. Those carriers who are believed to have been utilizing some sort of a wooden construction on their back which obviously served the purpose of distributing the riders weight evenly across all of their body and therefore allowed them to carry their 'customers' for a longer period of time (and obviously protect themselves from permanent injuries). So they have traded their stamina and strength against something which was probably their only source of income. I cant recall reading something about the distances that were covered when 'travelling' on top of these peasants but I guess it must have been somewhere in within reasonable physical limits and with rests in between to recover.
Regardless whether this is true or not, opinions may vary. Some might argue that those on top where exploiting the poverty of certain classes of the population and others may say they simply consumed a service and were equally paying for it. In my opinion this is also a matter of the price for such a service. Some people may especially have enjoyed riding those peasants for a cheap price when in fact that wage was probably more than the peasants could have earned with farming/agriculture in the same time. So I guess this rather may have been a fair trade.
After all there is one thing I would have wanted to change if i were happen to be in their place: I would not want to have my riders sitting on those wooden construction. I rather prefer to feel them sitting directly on top of me. I guess I would not be that successful in that business ...
Is that the sort of service you would also gladly want to use? Would you prefer sitting on those constructions or on the carrier itself?
I see little difference in taking advantage of an employee's physical labor of any sort.
I have employees who do the work assigned to them and are compensated for their service just as I was compensated when I was employed by others. In a way, we all sell our labor to someone and as such are "taken advantage of" whether you are a waitress or the CEO of a large corporation.
We make this choice based on our need to survive.
Assuming that story is true concerning human bearers, those taking advantage of the services offered were not exploiting anyone's poverty any more than those who buy athletic shoes that are manufactured in some third world country. I didn't make them poor and it's not my responsibility to alter their condition.
I remember seeing an old black and white photo of a woman sitting on a seat that was mounted on a man's back .The man was hunched over to support the seat and it appeared to be somewhere in Asia , possibly China. The woman held a parasol and it appeared to be in the mountains somewhere.
I don't like the idea of putting a saddle of any kind on a man and perhaps the kind of seat that Asian woman was sitting on would be more comfortable for a long trip, but I would prefer sitting directly on my carrier's shoulders or back, relieving him of the weight of whatever sort of platform or seat might be involved. Perhaps some device that allowed me to sit on him more comfortably might be employed but I have no idea what such a device might be.
As for the service as described in your scenario, I would almost certainly have taken advantage of it if the circumstances made it the best choice. I see no ethical conflict in taking advantage of any offered service.
In first place, How did your friend to convince you to ride on the shoulders of those submissive carriers? Did you discuss about that you like to ride on men's shoulders with him?
Probably your friend knew that you would enjoy a shoulder ride riding on the shoulders of one of his submissive friends. He probably knew that your attitude would change and became more dominant and you would enjoy it. Surely, he was trying to make you feel more comfortable riding, and the only way was being more dominant with your carrier. Rising your dominant feelings. Did he knew that you like to ride on men's shoulders?. There is nothing weird about a man carrying a woman on shoulders. Maybe the attitude of your carrier would change quickly if you were wearing your boots with spurs?
By the way, how long did you rode before you allow your carriers their first rest period? and how long was the ride?
I remember that you mentioned that guided walking tour, it was in the mayan ruins in Mexico. I said it before and say it again, You can hire me to carry you on my shoulders for free. I would carry you for free. You probably would enjoy a walking tour a little bit more being carried. But I have never been in the mayan ruins...
I met the man who is now a close friend at a Halloween party at my home. Another guest invited him and we tended to move in the same circles.
This friend came to the party dressed as a cowboy in a surreal and rather kinky costume which was acceptable in our social group and he entered riding on "his pony" which was another gay man dressed in a horse-like costume. He was riding him on all fours rather than on his shoulders of course.
So the basic subject of riding/carrying was opened almost from the moment we met and he of course wanted to be introduced to me since I was the hostess. He was rather attractive but obviously gay and our relationship was obviously platonic, but he was quite open and interesting.
I had been carried on men's shoulders at various times but I had never considered it as an activity in itself, as in riding on someone's shoulders as the end in itself. He mentioned his proclivity for doing so and we talked about that and many other things, but it was a few years after we became friends before he suggested such an outing and I just happened to be in the right mood to agree.
I have always been dominant in my relationships and quite assertive with men I'm intimately involved with, so he was something of a kindred spirit in such matters. His sexuality actually eased the normal sexual tension in female/male friendships.
When we arranged that first outing my friend didn't suggest any particular attire and I wouldn't have presumed to wear boots with spurs without such a clear suggestion. I'm sure that my friend was quite aware of my general assertiveness but he did coax me to be more dominant with my carrier when I was rather reluctant to do so at first.
My friend decide on when to take the first rest period. it was probably around 20 to 30 minutes into the ride. We stopped several times before that to allow his carrier to catch his breath after an up hill grade but we sat without dismounting at those times. By the time we dismounted to allow the carriers to rest I had no empathy for my carrier but let him rest unburdened for about 10 minutes. I guess we had traveled about a half mile by that time.
As I said, the fellow tourist suggested the possibility of hiring a peon to carry him but we didn't make any such arrangement. I just remember wishing we had when my feet blistered and my shoes were ruined. The man who mentioned it probably wouldn't have been embarrassed to be seen sitting on a peon's shoulders on the tour and I rarely care what others think anyway.
I just wonder if such a practical solution might be viable and beneficial to all concerned.
hirelings and slaves have been carrying people on litters and cabs for centuries. I see no moral or ethical difference in being carried directly.