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Hi everyone! I had some thoughts after finding this short illustrated guide on the web: http://bit.ly/2dTmGNi
What is the best shoulder riding position?
My answer is "whatever is comfortable for the rider". As a submissive carrier I love the concept of sacrificing my own comfort for my rider's, and dedicating every effort to their enjoyment.
I find interesting how the guide recommends that the carrier's neck is bent forward as much as possible, to create a natural saddle and support the rider's butt. All carriers know how hard this position can be for their neck, especially if the rider's legs are hanging in front. But isn't some discomfort and pain justified by the satisfaction of providing the best service to the person astride you?
I would love to hear thoughts / opinions from both riders and carriers.
Thank you. That was exactly the point I was making in a previous post.
When it's just a matter of sitting on someone's shoulders or lift someone on your shoulders for the purpose of reaching something or some brief or practical service, there is no need to be concerned about the comfort of the person on top.
But if the purpose of the activity is the activity itself, the carrier should make it as near to a horseback riding type of experience as possible. A rider should be provided as comfortable a seat on the carrier as the carrier can provide and that requires providing as much of a proper seat to support his or her buttocks as the possible. Sitting on shoulders with only the back of the thighs being supported isn't really comfortable or stable and interferes with the circulation in the rider's legs. The discomfort of the carrier should be very much secondary to the comfort of the rider just as the consideration of the horse should be secondary to that of the person sitting on him.
The rider need not be excessively cruel in this regard of course but he/she should expect and even demand that the carrier obey and commit to the service he is providing. This, in my opinion , should include suffering some personal discomfort as well as bearing the rider's weight as long as the carriers physicality can reasonably endure. The rider has a right to assume superiority over his/her beast of burden. Anything less detracts from the experience.
Audrey - If you ever allow me the honor, my shoulders will give you a long and most comfortable ride.
What you said makes absolute sense to me. There are many ways to "lift and carry" people, but if we are talking about "riding" and "being ridden", then the rider should be in charge and the carrier at her/his service.
Not only the position with bent neck provides comfort and safety to the rider. It also looks and feels very humbling for the carrier, reinforcing his subservient role. I also like to use my hands as stirrups for the rider's feet, which adds to her/his comfort and control.
Thank you for confirming that. Being carried on someone's shoulders or lifted on someone's shoulders may be as arbitrary as those involved decide to consider it. But to my mind "straddling" someone's neck while supporting your weight on your thighs is not "sitting" on his shoulders. If you were riding on his back on all fours you would be sitting on his back and being properly supported because your buttocks would be resting on him. Why should sitting on his shoulders be different or less comfortable than it has to be.
I tend to not use the word "mounting" because I find it carries a sexual innuendo that I prefer not to associate with the shoulder riding/sitting activity. Other people might feel differently about such things.
I habitually use the word 'mounting' when describing the act or moment of getting on a human pony's shoulders. Unlike Audreyb I find shoulder-riding erotic. That's the attraction of shoulder-riding to me. I'm lucky enough to have a long-term regular pony-guy. I 'mount' him by getting him to stand in front of a suitable mounting point (usually a large fallen tree truck if I'm going to shoulder-ride him outdoor through the trees in a forest).
When he's standing there in the correct position, I can just spread my thighs and slip down onto his shoulders. When I do that I feel him sag as he takes my weight. The moment of the actual mount is extremely erotic. As soon as I'm sat astride his shoulders I know, as his rider, I have him under my control and that I'm going to have an enjoyable shoulder-ride.
On the subject of the correct shoulder-riding position, if I have a well-built human pony I do like to be lifted up by the pony. In fact I have been known to make a pony-guy lift and lower me umpteen times for no other reason than I love the sensation of being lifted and lowered on a pony's neck and making a pony do that.
As for the actual technique of being lifted up by the pony onto his shoulders, I like to stand with my feet spread and with my hands resting on my hips. The pony then bends down behind me and thrusts his head between my thighs. Then, adopting a crouching position, the pony lifts me and my weight by hoisting me up on the back of his neck as I stand there. He uses his legs, not his back, to lift me. He lifts me by using the back of his neck like a crane. So I'm lifted up slowly by the back of his neck pressing up against my groin, with my legs splayed out until he's stood upright when, at that point, I can tuck my feet in behind his ribs ready to ride him.
As for the shoulder-riding sitting position, it is safer and more erotic to sit well forward on the pony's neck. I like to wear tight blue denim jeans so that I press my crotch fully up to the back of the pony's neck and enjoy that erotic sensation. As Brad and Audreyb say, in that sitting/riding position, the pony's head is pushed or forced forward and maybe and often is painful for the pony. But this enables the rider (or a rider like me) to enjoy an erotic shoulder-riding experience during which the rider can feel that he (or she) is dominating the pony and therefore able to ride the pony to achieve the greatest possible gratification. After all, isn't the whole point of shoulder-riding to enjoy an erotic experience?
Thanks Audreyb and Checkmateguy for your comments!
From my point of view as a submissive carrier, I always wish to provide the best service to my riders. They can be more or less dominant, they can prioritize pure comfort or a more erotic ride... whatever they prefer, my job is to ensure their satisfaction.
And guess what? Their satisfaction is exactly what makes the experience enjoyable for me, motivating me to endure the strain and discomfort of serving another person as their beast of burden.
I didn't imply that shoulder riding isn't or shouldn't be erotic. I think it should be whatever the rider and carrier choose it to be and it may be erotic for either the rider or the carrier or indifferent for one and erotic for the other.
I simply prefer not to use the word mount personally and prefer to use the word sitting .It's simply my personal preference in my choices of words.
As I have stated in previous posts, I prefer to see the rider as the master and the carrier as the servant . In serving, the carrier's discomfort and strain should be very much secondary to the comfort of the person sitting on him. To me this doesn't in itself mean that cruelty must be involved. I simply feel that for the experience of the activity to be real and appreciated , the carrier should be as much in the role of a beast of burden as possible. This would by nature put the rider in charge and his or her desires superior to the carrier.
Unless I'm mistaken, you find it erotic to be in control of the man you're sitting on and to some extent you enjoy the sensation of his exertion between your thighs and under your buttocks . When riding on a man I felt very much the same and I also rather enjoyed my male riding companions dominance of his carrier. It was in fact obvious to me that he felt very much the way you expressed your enjoyment .
The only place we seem to differ is in our choices of apparel while sitting on our carriers. I would find denim jeans more restricting than softer clothing and I find that bare legs allow for a more secure hold on the carrier's head and neck when I'm sitting on him. This is not a point I would debate with you in that you are more experienced in in this activity than I am.
I agree sitting on the neck will be uncomfortable to the carrier.
it will be enjoyable for the rider.
I prefer to ride on the neck
I feel most comfy sitting on my carrier's neck more than on his upper back and shoulders. I feel more supported and secure on his neck, and sitting more on his upper back and shoulders kind of hurts my bottom, which I don't know why, considering he is all muscle there. But I enjoy riding on him, and so I will go with either way